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Trump snubs formal 9/11 ceremonies
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ecco
Veteran Member
Ask and ye shall receive...
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, we know why Trump is not embarrassed over his idiocy. The question is why the Trumpettes aren't.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Exactly! Can't agree more!
Taliban cheered.
Christmas came and went.
U.S. was still in Afghanistan and there was no Debacle.
Trump worked hard to withdraw the U.S. from Afghanistan, but he wasn't stupid about it.
There was a lot of political pressure on Trump to withdraw from Afghanistan before the election, for the sole purpose of improving his election chances, but Trump didn't place politics over what was best for the country.
Excellent Links!
Compare to what Biden did: Cause a Debacle, Blame Trump!
Taliban cheered.
Christmas came and went.
U.S. was still in Afghanistan and there was no Debacle.
Trump worked hard to withdraw the U.S. from Afghanistan, but he wasn't stupid about it.
There was a lot of political pressure on Trump to withdraw from Afghanistan before the election, for the sole purpose of improving his election chances, but Trump didn't place politics over what was best for the country.
Excellent Links!
Compare to what Biden did: Cause a Debacle, Blame Trump!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You have that backwards. Trump set an event in motion. He did not solve the problems of that event and left it for Biden. This "debacle" is at least as much his as it is Biden's.
esmith
Veteran Member
That is not a "treaty" it is an agreement. A "teaty" has to be approved by the Senate by a two-thirds agreement of those present.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
You agree with the stated facts that Trump was planning to withdraw all US troops by the end of 2020, and was in negotiations with the Taliban over that, correct?
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Of course!
What else does anyone think Trump had been trying to do in Afghanistan for four years? Opium?
Why do you think Trump didn't withdraw from Afghanistan?
And why do you think Biden did withdraw from Afghanistan?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Simply because Trump feeds their hate, thus even making fun of handicapped people and the disadvantaged is all fair game to them. And yet the "religious right" feels this is somehow "moral" per Jesus' teachings? With the "health & wealth" churches, probably.
ecco
Veteran Member
You are quite right. I should not have used the term "treaty". It was an executive agreement.
Google: are presidential agreements with other nations binding
In the United States, executive agreements are binding internationally if they are negotiated and entered into under the president's authority in foreign policy, as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, or from a prior act of Congress. ... No restriction was placed on presidential powers to make such agreements.
Trump did many things by fiat. It's just so much easier than getting Congress, even a congress controlled by Republicans, involved.
Please note the word "binding" in the above-quoted segment.
esmith
Veteran Member
Then Biden did not follow the agreement then did he. In February 2020, the deal was that the United States was to get out of Afghanistan in 14 months, May 2021, and, in exchange, the Taliban agreed not to let Afghanistan become a haven for terrorists and to stop attacking U.S. service members.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That was an "aim" of that agreement. It was not a date set in stone. Not meeting that date therefore does not invalidate that agreement.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I don't know. Placing personal political gain over what is best for the country seems to be his primary motivation.
esmith
Veteran Member
Then Biden could have said that we will remove our military from Afghanistan only when we have evacuated all U.S citizens, green card holders, and those seeking aslum in the U.S. that want to leave.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Things fell apart faster than expected. Do you seriously think that Trump would have done any better?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Good point. Best to remind folks to actually familiarize with the tenants and details of the agreement before justifying the notion that Biden was 'forced' somehow. The dimwitted POTUS we have had a choice to not to, and of course, dimwitted people make dimwitted choices and, as par for course, dimwittingly blames someone else.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
esmith
Veteran Member
Unlike some who think they have precognition abilites I don't.
However, it is in my opinion that it is possible; nothing would have been worse than this total debacle.