Cooky
Veteran Member
That seems sensible.
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Trump says Iran made ‘big mistake’ by taking down US drone
- Thread starter Cooky
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That seems sensible.
Those I know from there & still there just want prosperity & peace.
Ameristan seems dedicated to seeing they won't get it.
sooda
Veteran Member
Don't ever confuse the Iranian government with the Iranian people. Two close friends from Iran who go home every year for 2 months are fearful of talking about the issues. They say, "In our family we NEVER discuss it".
An unprovoked attack upon a country aspiring to nuclear weapons
does have its risks. And they're more than just releasing radioactive
material into the environment. We've been attacking them for over half
a century, staging a coup, regime change, killing hundreds of thousands,
& devastating their economy.
I can think of no better way to incentivize their securing nuclear weapons
from either Russia, China or Pakistan. Nuclear capability is a clear means
to ensure we won't attack. The aforementioned countries know this.
So does N Korea. No matter their threats against us, Trump fetes their
dear leader. Why? Nukes. Our enemies learn from this.
So I advise eschewing making enemies in the first place.
Don't ever presume that I do.
You're not alone in having Iranian connections.
But since you do, I'd expect more empathy for them,
& more distaste for our continually attacking them,
with the risk of escalation into all out war.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Avoid making enemies? Are you mad? Damn you sir and your common sense. As a good Christian American I will partake of no such thing as common sense! Poppycock I say, sheer poppycock!
It's surreal.
As I recall, I'm the only weapon system designer (former) on the forum.
Yet here I am arguing against using the very tools I've enabled.
I believe in peace & self defense, not in this insane desire to wage war.
I just don't understand war lust....the desire to kill without regard for others.
sooda
Veteran Member
I am going to bed in a minute as I have a busy day tomorrow. I leave you in good faith to question WHY the Iran /Iraq war.
Causes - The Iran-Iraq War
https://iran-iraq.weebly.com/causes.html
Short Term Causes. Thus the Iranian Revolution weakened Iran to external forces but also replaced it with a regime that was perceived by Iraq to be more hostile than ever. Without the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the war would not have occurred the following year or likely at all.
Causes - The Iran-Iraq War
https://iran-iraq.weebly.com/causes.html
Short Term Causes. Thus the Iranian Revolution weakened Iran to external forces but also replaced it with a regime that was perceived by Iraq to be more hostile than ever. Without the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the war would not have occurred the following year or likely at all.
And why did they revolt?
Because in 1953 we replaced their elected leader with the Shah.
We set the stage for revolution, & bear direct responsibility for that result.
Also, Iraq was not attacked, therefore their attack upon Iran was predatory rather than provoked.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It's exasperating. It's like they don't understand the price that we will keep on paying for decades if not centuries. A vicious cycle continues.
siti
Well-Known Member
Hang on...so you are arguing that because Iraq (whose side the US was on as I recall) mistakenly shot up a US warship, it was perfectly in order for the US to respond by mistakenly shooting down an Iranian passenger aircraft? I declare I'm having trouble following the logic...as indeed I did at the time...and I think you also forgot to mention that the official reason for the error was that the Captain of the USS Vincennes believed he was being targetted by an Iranian F-14 Tomcat - I wonder where Iran might have got one of those from? Of course they didn't get one - they got 80 - courtesy of a deal between the Shah and Tricky Dicky. Of course these fell into the hands of the 'enemy' after the Revolution and they're still using them - most recently in Syria supporting Russian air strikes. So it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that after all this time, a US vessel might find itself on the wrong end of an F-14s weapons system for real.
When you put things in "context" you should remember to put them in context I think...and that we weren't all born yesterday!
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leov
Well-Known Member
Trump just want to make better oil profits, Not the first time.
How does this work?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
You know it might just be something more irrational and more visceral. It might just be plain human "bloodlust". Because none of this **** makes sense to me.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You salivate at the thought of kids killing kids.
leov
Well-Known Member
Oil went 6 % up today. US produces slightly more than 50% of what it needs. It buys and sells oil, buy low sell high. They just tripped their oil imports from Russia, time to take profit.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I doubt a single American would die if we went to war with Iran. I don't think we would need to step a single foot on their land.
...We can do it from carriers via the sky.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Oh really, do you want to test that theory by going in yourself?
Here are some problems with that claim....
Trump is facing re-election.
If a spike in pump prices is blamed on him, it weakens him politically.
Doesn't seem like something he'd want.
We still buy oil from other countries.
A price increase would mean a cost increase to the country.
This would increase profits for some, but overall a profit reduction.
Why want this?
leov
Well-Known Member
It always may be the case. Truth is they all love it: US, Russia, Iran, Iraq, SA.