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Trump left No Plan

ecco

Veteran Member
None of the states have plans?

The states were supposed to get the vaccine into the arms of the people in accordance with federal guidelines as to who gets it first. The states knew as far back as September that that was their responsibility. Some, including mine, still don't have good procedures in place.

The fed was supposed to do all of it?

The feds were supposed to coordinate how the states were to get the vaccine.





How is it going where you are?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
the Biden plan obviously doesn't exist in far-right newsmaker outlets.
The Biden plan is insisting that the states make lists of all right-wing kooks and prohibit them from getting a vaccination. The states are using camera imaging of people not wearing face masks.


ETA: The states are also monitoring forums like RF to black-list posters negative to Biden.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
None of the states have plans?

The fed was supposed to do all of it?

Until the Trump years, the Feds coordinated the national response
as a matter of course. Never once heard anyone question whether
they would step up to the job. It would have been slightly akin to
wondering if they had quit collecting taxes in those years.

So, to be clear, the states made their plans with the guidance of
the Feds, who then went on to overall coordinate the roll out.

Federal coordination avoids such situations as states bidding against
states for the same lots of vaccines, protective gear, ventilators, etc.
That happened this time, and it helped immensely to create
the confusion and delays that have unnecessarily cost so many lives
and caused so many grieving friends and relatives.

In addition, the bidding wars that resulted from a lack of Federal
coordination jacked up the prices for nearly everything with the
result that states didn't have enough money to do nearly as much as
they could have done even in such a messy situation.

There were other consequences that you can find out about easily
enough if you want to go into more detail than I've given.

Just one last point. There are moments even in this mess when
the irony is so thick it's delicious. e.g. Trump claiming a decisive
role, via Operation Warp Speed, in rolling out the vaccine. As the
pharmaceutical companies themselves stated in the days following
Trump's bold claim, it was all news to them. Pfizer, for instance,
pointed out they had publicly refused accepting government money
to develop their vaccine, and other companies offered their own
reality checks to Trump's claims. The irony, of course, is that by
that time, people were still relying on Trump for the truth about
anything.

We humans are so predictable. Sometimes, all you need grasp is we
struggle to learn anything at all. That applies to learning that we struggle
to lean. :D

I'm dumb as bricks, Audie, but my life-long ambition is to die the last
remaining realist on the planet. Damn conclusive evidence I'm dumb
as bricks.

Yet I got the idea from a poet who had grown up in my
hometown, and around 1900 or so was nationally famous. Forgotten now.
He wrote a poem I read as a teen about a village idiot who became
so embarrassed to gradually discover he was the village's idiot he
committed himself to the ambition of memorizing the entire contents
of the Encyclopedia Britannica. According to the poem he died
while memorizing the B volume.

It made an impression on me. I committed myself to die a realist.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Audie

Veteran Member
It is a national problem. It is not just a state level problem. That requires a federal response.


News of the obvious, saying nothing of why
governors were so inept as to not notice or not care that they were not read, and din not get together so as to be ready.

Convenient to have someone else to blame.
Until the Trump years, the Feds coordinated the national response
as a matter of course. Never once heard anyone question whether
they would step up to the job. It would have been slightly akin to
wondering if they had quit collecting taxes in those years.

So, to be clear, the states made their plans with the guidance of
the Feds, who then went on to overall coordinate the roll out.

Federal coordination avoids such situations as states bidding against
states for the same lots of vaccines, protective gear, ventilators, etc.
That happened this time, and it helped immensely to create
the confusion and delays that have unnecessarily cost so many lives
and caused so many grieving friends and relatives.

In addition, the bidding wars that resulted from a lack of Federal
coordination jacked up the prices for nearly everything with the
result that states didn't have enough money to do nearly as much as
they could have done even in such a messy situation.

There were other consequences that you can find out about easily
enough if you want to go into more detail than I've given.

Just one last point. There are moments even in this mess when
the irony is so thick it's delicious. e.g. Trump claiming a decisive
role, via Operation Warp Speed, in rolling out the vaccine. As the
pharmaceutical companies themselves stated in the days following
Trump's bold claim, it was all news to them. Pfizer, for instance,
pointed out they had publicly refused accepting government money
to develop their vaccine, and other companies offered their own
reality checks to Trump's claims. The irony, of course, is that by
that time, people were still relying on Trump for the truth about
anything.

We humans are so predictable. Sometimes, all you need grasp is we
struggle to learn anything at all. That applies to learning that we struggle
to lean. :D

I'm dumb as bricks, Audie, but my life-long ambition is to die the last
remaining realist on the planet. Damn conclusive evidence I'm dumb
as bricks.

Yet I got the idea from a poet who had grown up in my
hometown, and around 1900 or so was nationally famous. Forgotten now.
He wrote a poem I read as a teen about a village idiot who became
so embarrassed to gradually discover he was the village's idiot he
committed himself to the ambition of memorizing the entire contents
of the Encyclopedia Britannica. According to the poem he died
while memorizing the B volume.

It made an impression on me. I committed myself to die a realist.

Um i lost the point of this...? Not enuf sleep maybe.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What a pack of lies. CNN was not privy to what was going on inside the Trump administration. “Sources” told CNN. I call bogus. Any “source” that won’t go on record with their name has zero credibility when presented by CNN.

Yes, Trump had a plan. That’s one reason we developed a vaccine in record time, thanks to Trump’s coronavirus planning.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
News of the obvious, saying nothing of why
governors were so inept as to not notice or not care that they were not read, and din not get together so as to be ready.

Convenient to have someone else to blame.


Um i lost the point of this...? Not enuf sleep maybe.
State governors sometimes have been incompetent Some of the worst deniers were governors in red states, until too late. They should have a role but federal oversight is needed for best results.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What a pack of lies. CNN was not privy to what was going on inside the Trump administration. “Sources” told CNN. I call bogus. Any “source” that won’t go on record with their name has zero credibility when presented by CNN.

Yes, Trump had a plan. That’s one reason we developed a vaccine in record time, thanks to Trump’s coronavirus planning.
Do you have a source that shows that CNN does not trust proper sources? You forgot to soon how evil the Trump regime was. Any descent and you lost your job.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
State governors sometimes have been incompetent Some of the worst deniers were governors in red states, until too late. They should have a role but federal oversight is needed for best results.

Nobody did worse than Cuomo.

If any state doesn't know what to do
when vaccine arrives, its their fault,
and it tells how far down a sad road
you' America has gone, assuming
big government is to take care of them

"Best results" from govt running things.
Surely you are joking.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Nobody did worse than Cuomo.

If any state doesn't know what to do
when vaccine arrives, its their fault,
and it tells how far down a sad road
you' America has gone, assuming
big government is to take care of them

"Best results" from govt running things.
Surely you are joking.
Possibly. Though that is hardly a fair statement. New York City is and its extremely heavy reliance on mass transit was the perfect site for the transmission of that disease. When disaster struck New York City we did not know that much about the virus.. We are far more knowledgeable now.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Do you have a source that shows that CNN does not trust proper sources? You forgot to soon how evil the Trump regime was. Any descent and you lost your job.
You mean do I have more than the zero sources CNN has?
Do you have a source that shows that CNN does not trust proper sources? You forgot to soon how evil the Trump regime was. Any descent and you lost your job.
back in September CNN criticized Trump plan as bad. Rapid Covid tests: Trump announces plan to deploy 150 million Abbott Laboratories tests previously touted - CNNPolitics Now it claims he had no plan. They want it both ways. Trump had no plans and the plan he didn’t have was terrible.

CNN has become the “Clownish Non-news Network”
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You mean do I have more than the zero sources CNN has?

back in September CNN criticized Trump plan as bad. Rapid Covid tests: Trump announces plan to deploy 150 million Abbott Laboratories tests previously touted - CNNPolitics Now it claims he had no plan. They want it both ways. Trump had no plans and the plan he didn’t have was terrible.

CNN has become the “Clownish Non-news Network”
Oh my God! So wrong. His "plan" was so poor that it was rightfully criticized. So what did Trump do? He doubled down on stupid. He went from a bad plan to no plan at all.

You failed. Try again.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Factbox: Biden's plan to fight the coronavirus | Reuters

Here's the plan, in case anyone was wondering:

He will sign 10 wide-ranging executive orders Thursday afternoon, ordering federal agencies, private industry, and U.S. residents to act to slow the spread of the disease.

USE THE DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT
To accelerate manufacturing, delivery and supply of vaccines and protective gear, Biden will invoke the Cold War-era act, which grants the president the power to expand industrial production of key materials or products for national security and other reasons.

Besides vaccines, it aims to make items such as N95 masks, isolation gowns, nitrile gloves and sample collection swabs more available.

MASKS ON PLANES, TRAINS, BUSES
A federal mandate will require mask-wearing in airports, and on some trains, airplanes and buses.

International travelers will be required to produce proof of a negative COVID-19 test prior to departing for the United States and to comply with CDC guidelines for self-quarantine upon arrival.

REIMBURSE STATES FOR MORE SUPPLIES
Biden will direct the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) to increase federal reimbursement to states from 75 percent to 100 percent of the cost for National Guard personnel and emergency supplies.

The order also restores full reimbursement for costs to support safe school reopening through the FEMA Disaster Relief Fund.

GET MORE VACCINES OUT, FASTER
To meet an aggressive vaccination target of 100 million shots by the end of Biden’s first 100 days in office, FEMA will create community vaccination centers, with the goal of 100 centers in the next month.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will also launch a federal pharmacy program making vaccines available in local pharmacies.

MORE TESTING, INCLUDING IN SCHOOLS
Biden will also establish a COVID-19 testing board to increase access to testing and expand testing supply.

The order also aims to expand the public health workforce, support COVID-19 screening for schools and ensure communities of color can access tests.

STUDY REOPENING SCHOOLS, INCREASE BROADBAND ACCESS
The Departments of Education and Health and Human Services will be asked to provide guidance on safe reopening of schools, child care providers, and higher education institutions.

The Federal Communications Commission will be directed to increase connectivity options for students lacking access to broadband.

INCREASE MEDICAL CARE
The administration plans to identify new treatments for COVID, and work to improve clinical care, assistance to care facilities and increase the healthcare workforce capacity.

PROTECT WORKERS FROM COVID
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration will be directed to issue clear guidance for employers to help keep workers safe from COVID-19 exposure.

DIRECT MORE COVID AID TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR
A COVID-19 Health Equity Task Force will recommend ways to allocate resources and funding to underserved communities, which have been disproportionately hit by the virus.

BETTER DATA
Enhance the U.S. collection, production, sharing, and analysis of data to support a speedier COVID-19 response and recovery.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Wow, a detailed plan took a whole day to develop.

It's a wonder Trump & Co. couldn't come up with one in 10 months.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
You mean do I have more than the zero sources CNN has?

back in September CNN criticized Trump plan as bad. Rapid Covid tests: Trump announces plan to deploy 150 million Abbott Laboratories tests previously touted - CNNPolitics Now it claims he had no plan. They want it both ways. Trump had no plans and the plan he didn’t have was terrible.

CNN has become the “Clownish Non-news Network”
So where's this story saying CNN pointed to a "source" but never provided information on the source? What did the source say? What level of govt was the source affiliated with?
All you're doing is repeating far-right newsspeak blaming the tired "MSM"
So boring and old. The propaganda technique worked on you.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
What exactly did Trump do to accelerate the vaccine development. Wasn't a vaccine developed in England rapidly?

I asked and you replied...
Trump's efforts were in Ameristan.
Note that it's important to have parallel efforts
in vaccine development. Not all have the same
efficacy or transport characteristics.

IOW, you can't say what, exactly, Trump did to accelerate the vaccine development.

The best you could do is link to an article from the CBC. The CBC?


What the *#%* is the CBC. Did you think that article was from the CDC?+

So try again, please tell us, in your own words, what Trump actually did.
 
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