True left hand path...

[BlackAce]

I was raised in a left hand path religion that had no rules/no laws, we were simply told me live the life we wanted, do that which benefited us at all times and be willing to live with the consequences of our actions and the backlash of them as well.

I am not advocating rape or murder but what stops me from doing these things is that I do not wish to go to prison and be taken away from my loved ones, I do not wish to have a look of disappointment cross their face so I avoid these actions.

Take my annoying neighbor and their even more annoying dog, he barks day and night and I swear he NEVER shuts up, You would think that a puppy would wear itself out but no....

Anyways, In the beliefs I was raised in, If i wanted to grab the dog and take him far far away and throw him into a river, I could but if I got caught I would have to deal with whatever happened next--Perhaps an eyewitness saw me throw the dog in, perhaps he bit me as I threw him and now i have rabies, lol, whatever.

My Neighbor would certainly be suspicious of me and I would have to deal with that and what about my partner? He knew how much I hated the barking dog....see what I mean? so for now, i find better ways to handle it, I call animal control, I report it, the latest thing I did was pretend to be management and tell her that we have had several reports about her dog and that she needs to take care of it, the last 3 days have been super quiet so I guess that worked

What I am curious about is why Satanism considers itself a left hand path religion when it has rules such as -drugs are illegal, do not harm children, do not harm animals, etc- Now, to be clear, I am NOT saying that we should do drugs or harm children or animals, what I am saying is that having been raised in this other religion which had no rules (It had structure, it had beliefs and practices, Just not rules) I find it hard to say that Satanism is a TRUE left hand path.....

I have other questions I will post in separate threads.

 

[Quintessence]

What makes a path a "true" path, exactly?

In my experience, the only thing that makes a path a "true" path is someone who thinks they have authority over other people. They say it is so, and therefore it is so as a matter-of-fact. The problem with this - as with any social construct - is that others have to agree to submit to this authority for it to be so. There is no "true" path without some authoritarian arm forcing it down people's throats. And that, sir, strikes me as patently antithetical to much of what LHP stands for.

 

[ScottySatan]

Without trying to be an *******, This seems like a very basic question, the kind that most Satanists answer on their first day. The answer's obvious. Having said that, I'm sure some jerk is now going to contradict me, domonstrating that it's not obvious at all.

You follow the moral rules of your society that you aren't willing to accept the consequences of getting caught breaking. 1) consistent criminals often get caught eventually, no matter how smart or skilled they are. 2) Satanic organisations severely shun criminals of any caliber to keep the law away from accusing the organisation.

 

[Kemble]

Hey BlackAce,

In no way shape or form is anti-social behavior healthy. As folks get more life experienes, more control over their lives, and statisfy desires courtesy and empathy with others grows. Just watch Marlon Brando in the Godfather; calm, polite, self-effacing, yet always in control.

Folks that lack control and power typically lash out and hurt others or themselves. Left hand path is simply a short hand for a more self centered way of life, being present to your senses, urges, and feelings and putting your ego or sense of being an individual person at the forefront. It nurtures the ego. It is NOT about breaking rules.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I was raised in a left hand path religion that had no rules/no laws, we were simply told me live the life we wanted, do that which benefited us at all times and be willing to live with the consequences of our actions and the backlash of them as well.

I am not advocating rape or murder but what stops me from doing these things is that I do not wish to go to prison and be taken away from my loved ones, I do not wish to have a look of disappointment cross their face so I avoid these actions.

Take my annoying neighbor and their even more annoying dog, he barks day and night and I swear he NEVER shuts up, You would think that a puppy would wear itself out but no....

Anyways, In the beliefs I was raised in, If i wanted to grab the dog and take him far far away and throw him into a river, I could but if I got caught I would have to deal with whatever happened next--Perhaps an eyewitness saw me throw the dog in, perhaps he bit me as I threw him and now i have rabies, lol, whatever.

My Neighbor would certainly be suspicious of me and I would have to deal with that and what about my partner? He knew how much I hated the barking dog....see what I mean? so for now, i find better ways to handle it, I call animal control, I report it, the latest thing I did was pretend to be management and tell her that we have had several reports about her dog and that she needs to take care of it, the last 3 days have been super quiet so I guess that worked

What I am curious about is why Satanism considers itself a left hand path religion when it has rules such as -drugs are illegal, do not harm children, do not harm animals, etc- Now, to be clear, I am NOT saying that we should do drugs or harm children or animals, what I am saying is that having been raised in this other religion which had no rules (It had structure, it had beliefs and practices, Just not rules) I find it hard to say that Satanism is a TRUE left hand path.....

I have other questions I will post in separate threads.

The Left Hand path isn't exactly about ethical patterns to follow, although it has purposeful tenets that are useful to reach the end goal of whatever your's is. These tenets vary from each person.

I do think that some things are unethical, but wont act on it if it's a benefit of harm against my loved ones and I. But my position has nothing really to do with the left hand path.

But, at the same time, it's good to be honest about yourself, the only intent that stops your from raping or murdering is that it's illegal, while most people would find it unethical, although I'm wiling to bet that most people would drop this moral and go and do it anyways if it weren't illegal.

 

[Mindmaster]

Without trying to be an *******, This seems like a very basic question, the kind that most Satanists answer on their first day. The answer's obvious. Having said that, I'm sure some jerk is now going to contradict me, domonstrating that it's not obvious at all.

You follow the moral rules of your society that you aren't willing to accept the consequences of getting caught breaking. 1) consistent criminals often get caught eventually, no matter how smart or skilled they are. 2) Satanic organisations severely shun criminals of any caliber to keep the law away from accusing the organisation.

The reason why at least in the USA is RICO which basically allows authorities to prosecute everyone in an organization for the crimes of others in the group. It has no bearing on what the members are doing, but that is the official line. This is why a Satanic organization even if it tolerated such things would publically denounced the act much in the way church organizations have been denouncing the pedobears.

To put something in context if you merely take a completely amoral stance completely opposite the status quo you in effect simply create another 'status quo' to play by -- one defined merely by breaking all of the rules of another. That which truly defines the real LHP is the power of discernment -- knowing when to play by, and break the rules is far more valuable of a skill. Often it is more valuable to appear to others to be complying with these expectations for your own gain even if you have another agenda.

Some crimes don't really make sense either -- rape, for example. It's simply not that hard to get sex unless you look like you got hit with a shovel. Hell, if you buy enough beers probably even ole shovel face has a chance. Killing people for non-survival reasons is rather stupid as well -- since it just creates a bunch of new enemies whether they be that persons family or the law. There is very little reward for the risk.

 

[Kemble]

I say, if you don't have the self discipline to succeed in life legally and ethically, don't run around shouting your "self-evolution LHPz." But do crawl into a dungeon; it will make this world a much more pleasant place to live.

 

[Orias]

I was raised in a left hand path religion that had no rules/no laws, we were simply told me live the life we wanted, do that which benefited us at all times and be willing to live with the consequences of our actions and the backlash of them as well.

I am not advocating rape or murder but what stops me from doing these things is that I do not wish to go to prison and be taken away from my loved ones, I do not wish to have a look of disappointment cross their face so I avoid these actions.

Take my annoying neighbor and their even more annoying dog, he barks day and night and I swear he NEVER shuts up, You would think that a puppy would wear itself out but no....

Anyways, In the beliefs I was raised in, If i wanted to grab the dog and take him far far away and throw him into a river, I could but if I got caught I would have to deal with whatever happened next--Perhaps an eyewitness saw me throw the dog in, perhaps he bit me as I threw him and now i have rabies, lol, whatever.

My Neighbor would certainly be suspicious of me and I would have to deal with that and what about my partner? He knew how much I hated the barking dog....see what I mean? so for now, i find better ways to handle it, I call animal control, I report it, the latest thing I did was pretend to be management and tell her that we have had several reports about her dog and that she needs to take care of it, the last 3 days have been super quiet so I guess that worked

What I am curious about is why Satanism considers itself a left hand path religion when it has rules such as -drugs are illegal, do not harm children, do not harm animals, etc- Now, to be clear, I am NOT saying that we should do drugs or harm children or animals, what I am saying is that having been raised in this other religion which had no rules (It had structure, it had beliefs and practices, Just not rules) I find it hard to say that Satanism is a TRUE left hand path.....

I have other questions I will post in separate threads.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with...well...anything.

"True left hand path" is not justified by the individual and his prophecy, rather the circumstances and opportunities created by a productive means will justify his mind on its own. There is no need to go out of your way to do something, there is no need to block something that will never hit you, you have to make it miss.

 

[Yadon]

I was raised in a left hand path religion that had no rules/no laws, we were simply told me live the life we wanted, do that which benefited us at all times and be willing to live with the consequences of our actions and the backlash of them as well.

If anything is the "true" Left Hand Path... I don't think it represents the original post.

That sounds more like amorality than anything else. Also from your other examples of why you don't hurt other people, you don't mention that you would be causing pain to a person who probably didn't deserve that much harm inflicted on them.

From a technical standpoint there is nothing objectively and inherently "sinful" so to speak for any of that. But at the same time doesn't make it any more rational, logical, sensible, productive, useful or smart. And it definitely won't stop the rest of society from wanting to stop and/or punish you for it.

Everyone is able to ATTEMPT anything they wish but when one escalates into harming others you've basically given them the go-ahead to act back. Such "might is right" mentalities can destabilize entire civilizations and cause the deaths of many who could of done a lot more useful and productive things than the perpetrators ... but at the same time, if one has all the literal, physical power in terms of arms ect ect, no one can really stop them.

How this all relates to either something Tantric or something more Western like individualism or hedonism I am not sure.

Some crimes don't really make sense either -- rape, for example. It's simply not that hard to get sex unless you look like you got hit with a shovel. Hell, if you buy enough beers probably even ole shovel face has a chance. Killing people for non-survival reasons is rather stupid as well -- since it just creates a bunch of new enemies whether they be that persons family or the law. There is very little reward for the risk.

The only part I disagree with here is equating rape with sex. The psychology is more nuanced than that. It isn't ever just about lack of sex (on the contrary many rapists get consensual sex regularly), but it's mostly about some emotional-sexual need to take the person against their will, for whatever reason.