Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
74x12 is not wrong!This is rich. Note - no ACTUAL EXPLANATION forthcoming from you. And the best part is how you state that I don't undrstand and don't have the context, and then in the very next sentence please see the bold red emphasis of mine:
Seems like you're not too entirely sure yourself. Theists ideas and ability to defend their positions are a joke.
He correctly selected the right verses for the discussion.
I did not state any verses specifically so that it was only those who know their scriptures should rightly comment ….
- “For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.” (John 5:18-20)
- “My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:29-33)
- “what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? (John 10:36)
- “Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.” (John 20:37)
The Jews erred in claiming that only God can do good deeds. When they witnessed Jesus doing these same good deeds they accused him of making himself out to be God. But Jesus countered by claiming that GOD had singled him out and “SET HIM APART” (this is what is meant by the ANOINTING WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT at the river Jordan - a consecration - a sanctification!!) Therefore, WITH THE POWER OF GOD Jesus was able to perform the good works of the Father. The Jews mistook this as a like a magician (an honest magician?? - the deeds were real!!!!)
Please remember that the FIRST PRINCIPLES of the Jews at that time was that THE MESSIAH would be a MILITARY messiah who would rid the Jews of their Roman overlords! Healing people and overturning the hard lines laws instilled in them by Moses was not their primary thought!
However, in BOTH sets of verses, Jesus states that he is the Son of God…. Doing the words of God, his Father….
It also reveals that Jesus is FIRST SHOWN what to do and THEN he does likewise. The question then is: ‘How can Jesus be claiming to be God if he has to first see GOD do ….’
Does God ‘Learn from another’?
Does God ‘Follow another’?
But a good Son both ‘Learns’ and ‘Follows’ his Father!!
By following and doing exactly as the Father does, the Son then becomes one with the Father. No linguistic tautology can make out the son to be both equal to the Father and therefore us the Father (or equal to God and therefore is God!).
Therefore it is a false claim that Trinitarians are making!