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Trigger warning: Prolife with exceptions? Abortion debate.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by YeshuaLovesYou, Dec 4, 2018.

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  1. YeshuaLovesYou

    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

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    I am not trying to be mean or anything, but I want to know if I can be prolife with exceptions? I think abortion is usually murder, but should be kept legal in some cases. I believe and can prove that life begins at conception, and that unborn people USUALLY have the right to live, that prevention is more ethically correct than abortion, BUT, i certainly respect my mother enough to say if she had certain medical needs, she would have had the right to abort me. It is presumptuous to assume all abortion is ethical or unethical, and I want to ask both sides of the debate: What is wrong with being moderate on abortion?
     
  2. YmirGF

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    Nothing.

    As a gay male, the abortion debate has no real impact on me. I favor access to abortion to the end of the 2nd trimester - for any reason. Beyond the end of the 2nd trimester would require both a court and a doctors approval.

    If anyone thinks my position is unreasonable bring it on, baby. (Pun intended).
     
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  3. Amanaki

    Amanaki The truth lay within you.

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    I dont judge others who might be in favor of abortion, but personally i see abortion as murder. who are we to think we are allowed to take life? why is muder of adults illial and murder of babies allowed?
    If the childe dies of it own it is meant to be, but we should never kill any living being
     
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    I just think it's the wrong question to ask in an era where the human species is grossly overpopulated and has catapulted the planet into a sixth mass extinction event and impoverished the numbers of formerly common species. I don't think being a moderate on the issue makes any sense given this. Any and all reduction of human population and impact is a good thing.
     
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    I feel this is too harsh, and its better to say that we are currently in debt to the environment but can repay. As a species we have the potential to vastly increase the amount of life and even spread it to other worlds. We can still fix it.
     
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    I'm pretty staunchly pro-choice so naturally I disagree with many of your views here.

    That said, I personally find yours to be the most reasonable variant of the pro-life perspective. Despite any disagreements we may have on this, I can fully respect your willingness to consider abortions on a case by case basis :)
     
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    We should all love children and the unborn, too. Should we criminalize abortion? No. That's the exception part.

    Why not criminalize it? Because that is against nature, that's why.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    I suspect you'll come up with some exceptions to such a broad policy.
     
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    I wish I could feel it was too harsh. More and more data keep coming in, and the picture is bleaker and bleaker. There is no 'fixing' it at this point. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, I find the entire abortion debate ridiculous when the human population needs to be slashed dramatically.
     
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    At the end of the FIRST trimester the baby is formed as a human and has a beating heart. To kill it is the murder of a human. Abortion should be allowed after the first trimester only in the case of potential serious PHYSICAL harm or death to the mother.
     
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    so I take it you're pro genocide??
     
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    Hey, get out those AR 15´s and go human hunting, itś a good thing !
     
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    I'm in favor of women being able to control their own bodies, so if they don't want a baby, they should keep their knees together.
     
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    Nope. Not that it matters, since it's not as of humans are going to seriously deal with the issue anyway. Nobody is going to legislate breeding restrictions for humans, much less legislate measures that increase the death rate. We'll simply have a biologically impoverished planet for several million years as a result of human activity, and that'll be that. :shrug:
     
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    Your observation is perfectly correct
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    But you caused post #11.
     
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    IMO, it would be extremely unethical to impose restrictions on anyone else's access to abortion.

    IMO, the only ethical so-called "pro-life" positions are:
    - not choosing to get an abortion yourself, and
    - building more and better alternatives that reduce abortion rates by getting pregnant peolle to freely choose options besides abortion.
     
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    There was a TED talk by a fellow who argued that the human population would hold steady at 11 billion people based upon projected rates. We have seen sharp curves upward over the last century or two because of technological improvements in agriculture and medicine, but remember that improvements in education decrease the birth rate. Its projected that the actual population boom will eventually be matched by the death rate, and we will not eat the world. I think eleven billion is pretty high, and it is a challenge. At the same time I think having a lot of people gives us more chances to improve. For example we get the occasional genius. I hate to worship geniuses, but when we get them they come up with some amazing things. I think what we should do is seek to make sure everybody gets educated, and that will control the population as well as help improve our relationship with the environment. I don't think we should try to artificially control the population.
     
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  19. YeshuaLovesYou

    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

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    Why?
     
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    YeshuaLovesYou I'm in love with Yeshua.

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    I think birth control is the answer. The solution is not killing people. The question should be "what is the fetus" before we ask that we can kill it. I believe the fetus is a baby with rights unless the mother was raped, or medical need.
     
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