I'm just saying that "just say no" and "close your legs" are not the foolproof solutions you seem to think they are. They're also kind of sexist and blame the woman for it.
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Trigger warning: Does 100% birth control exist?
- Thread starter YeshuaRedeemed
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A strong argument can be made that such people to in fact exist.
As an example, there are many psychological situations that put that ability in doubt. Borderline personality disorder, for instance.
I find it funny when I hear Christians say that, though, since one of the fundamental beliefs at the core of their religion is that abstinent virgins can get pregnant.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So you too are proposing a birth control that is almost worthless. We know who should be taking a seat.
An argument against abortion which is based upon its not being necessary
sometimes rests upon the assumption that anyone who becomes pregnant
has failed in some manner. And this failure justifies denial of the abortion
option.
This is a Catch 22, ie, if one doesn't need an abortion, one is moral enuf
to deserve one. If one does need an abortion, one is unworthy because
of personal failure....one might say "immorality".
sometimes rests upon the assumption that anyone who becomes pregnant
has failed in some manner. And this failure justifies denial of the abortion
option.
This is a Catch 22, ie, if one doesn't need an abortion, one is moral enuf
to deserve one. If one does need an abortion, one is unworthy because
of personal failure....one might say "immorality".
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Are you trying to claim that "just say no" won't stop bank robbers?
Some will slip past that security measure, yes.
Axe Elf
Prophet
Axually, they ARE foolproof solutions. But like any other contraceptive, they don't work at all if they are not used.
It's sexist to believe that a woman should have the right to control her own body? I thought that was all the rage these days. If you absolutely, positively, don't want a baby, control your own body and absolutely, positively, don't engage in sex. Same goes for the man, for that matter--and I would say even more so for him, because he's not always afforded the same opportunity to decide if his accidentally-conceived child lives or dies.
If it's not sexist to allow the woman to control her own body AFTER conception, then it's not sexist to suggest that she control her own body BEFORE conception as well.
Axe Elf
Prophet
I would never think of doing such a thing. I am proposing a method of birth control that is 100% effective.
In theory it's perfect.
All the theory requires is people who obey 100% of the time.
But this model doesn't apply in the real world.
Too bad your view of it isn't based on reality. We know this because of how much of a failure abstinence only education is.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
What do the troops do, just pluck 'em out of a close passing kangaroo, or just wait for the seasonal eclipse?
Why does this thread title start with 'trigger warning'?
That's abstinence education done poorly by people who want to shelter their children from something that they WILL have to deal with, whether the parents have their heads in the sand or not. At my school, we learned about abortion, the pill, condoms, cervical caps, vasectomies, and getting your tubes tied. We learned that condoms work until they break, the pill almost always works as long as you remember to take it unless some shenanigans happen, cervical caps are really effective but getting them put in and taken out is both literally and metaphorically a pain, vasectomies work but no man ain't letting no knife or pair of scissors get close to his man-parts unless his life depends on it, and getting your tubes tied should never be done unless you 100% don't ever want kids. We learned about all that stuff. But the best, absolutely foolproof way to 100% not get pregnant or contract STD's? Don't bump uglies. That's what we learned in health class.
Axe Elf
Prophet
C'mon. You people aren't idiots. You know that no method of birth control works when it isn't used. The effectiveness of birth control methods is based on the presumption that they are actually used. When the pill is USED, it is 91% effective. When condoms are USED, they are 98% effective. When a diaphragm is USED, it's 88% effective. But Axe, you say, all of those methods are ineffective when they are not used!
No kidding!
When it is used, abstinence is 100% effective in preventing pregnancies. Obviously, it fares much worse when it is not used.
I am confident that changing the subject from 100% effective birth control to lousy sex ed is a strawman.
If anybody in this thread suggested that "abstinence only" sex ed is effective at producing self control in the real world, I missed the post.
Personally, I think age appropriate sex ed should start in primary school. It should already be underway before kid's hormones start kicking in and causing all sorts of problems.
I staunchly support organizations like Planned Parenthood, because they prevent abortions. Far more than they facilitate. Unfortunately, nobody counts abortions that didn't happen because the sex partners had sufficiently effective birth control to prevent pregnancy.
Tom
Don't be so quick to judge.
I know what you're saying.
But 100% theoretical effectiveness doesn't make abstinence useful for all.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
But it fails far worse than any other method.
No, it doesn't !
You keep changing the subject from abstinence to "abstinence only" educational techniques. It's a strawman.
Abstinence is 100% effective.
Tom
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope. You need to be a realist. Most people cannot abstain. Abstinence is a pro-abortion policy.
BS
All competent adults can abstain. And abstinence is 100% effective.
But since lots of people don't want to abstain, there's a host other methods that hugely reduce the risk of pregnancy. If a dude wears a condom and his partner is on The Pill, the risk is reduced nearly to zero.
"Abstinence" isn't a policy. It's a Choice. "Abstinence only education" is a policy, one I consider ridiculously ineffective. Why do you keep bringing it up in response to me? I think it's just a strawman you resort to because what I am claiming is true, but doesn't support your agenda.
Tom