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Featured Torah in Christianity

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, Feb 10, 2022.

  1. Brian2

    Brian2 Well-Known Member

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    Do you believe it more when Jesus said it?
    What if Jesus said it and you disagree with Jesus?
     
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    TrueBeliever37 Well-Known Member

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    The Old foretells of the New. So what you say isn't illogical.
     
  3. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    To you the Tanach foretells of the NT because you presuppose that the NT is true. Out of the reading of the NT you approach the Bible and suddenly everything fits. Like magic. That was not my argument at all.
     
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    TrueBeliever37 Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying the 2nd coming is part of the law?
     
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    The old foretells of the new in places like Jeremiah 31:31
     
  6. Harel13

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    Yeah, yeah. Heard it once, heard it a thousand times.
     
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    Wasn't the Septuagint based on an earlier version of Hebrew and translated by JEWS?
     
  8. Rival

    Rival Divine Adoratrice of Amun
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    Only the Torah, and we no longer have the original. Only Christian copies of the whole Greek Tanakh.
     
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    Then since you know it's foretold there, isn't it just possible that it came and is true?
     
  10. Harel13

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    I said I heard this Christian idea many times over. Doesn't mean I believe it or that I even agree with that interpretation of the text.
     
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    That means virgin could be correct and could have been changed.
    It's not just an idea, it is IN your text. Whether you believe your text or not is a different issue.
     
  12. Rival

    Rival Divine Adoratrice of Amun
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    The LXX calls Dinah a parthenos after she's been raped, so the word clearly does not mean virgin.
     
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  13. Harel13

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    There is a certain phrase in my text which you believe should be interpreted as referring to the NT. I disagree with that interpretation. Since Jews have managed to hold onto our interpretation for thousands of years now, at the very least, that makes the phrase ambiguous.
     
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    A 2nd coming wasn't a part of the law of Moses.

    The law was a type/shadow of good things to come in the NEW covenant. Resting on the Sabbath day in the Old was required, because it represented the eternal day of rest for which I am waiting on in the New. When that eternal day of rest comes I will definitely observe it.
     
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    I think we BOTH know that was not the word used in the passage I was referring to.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Well there is the traditional story, which isn't exactly the same as history. Yes, the Septuagint is a pretty poor translation from the Hebrew into Greek. The translation of the Torah is good, but the rest of it is not the best quality -- there are quite a few mistakes made, like translating almah as virgin (wrong) instead of young woman (correct). The traditional story is that you had 72 translators taken from all the twelve tribes to translate the Torah. As the story goes, when they were done, they compared notes, and found that they had translated it exactly the same. A miracle! LOL
     
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    None of the prophecy of a King Messiah was accomplished, so for those to be accomplished by
    Yeshua a 'second coming' would be required. And the appointment of a King is most certainly in
    the Torah.

    This laughable excuse can be used to negate ANY law of G-d in the Torah!

    'The command not to steal was a type/shadow bla bla bla so I can shoplift all I want, but when
    that NEW covenant comes I will definitely observe it!'

    I'm quite done with Xian 'justifications' of ignoring the commandments of G-d and teachings of
    Yeshua and accepting instead the Covenant of Paul and Roman church 'doctrine'.

    I remember now why I left my MJ Synagogue when Xians took over the 'leadership'.

    I will no longer interact with Xians, because there is no point with those who deny Torah.
     
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    Agreed upon..

    No .. you shouldn't become angry and dismissive..
    We are all a product of environment .. and tend to be tribal in nature.
    ..and even though people tend to argue their "side", it doesn't mean that they aren't considering what another might be saying .. in the long run. :)
     
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    I am not angry, I simply realize the futility in it all. I have quite a bit of experience with the positions
    they hold, as when they came into my synagogue I found out exactly where they stand. I was out.

    We have irreconcilable differences, and that will not ever change.
     
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