Audie
Veteran Member
If it matters to you what kind of cult you are in-
which I am sure it does not-then you dont need me
to help you check on it.
You didnt ever tell me btw if you think god must be
a cowboy at heart.
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"Top Ten Shocking Beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses"
- Thread starter Skwim
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If it matters to you what kind of cult you are in-
which I am sure it does not-then you dont need me
to help you check on it.
You didnt ever tell me btw if you think god must be
a cowboy at heart.
Skwim
Veteran Member
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I find it most interesting - and not commented on - that this video is from Jehovah's Witness Truth Ministries. It's not so much a list of "shocking beliefs" casting them in a negative light, but beliefs that might "shock" others because they're - quote-unquote - "true". I can't seem to find it, but at one point I had a list of very odd (and some dangerous) beliefs that were shared by ex-members. Those are more shocking than some ego-stroke video.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
I did not view the video.
I will not view the video.
If the guy in the video IS a Jehovah's Witness, then I might go there.
If he is not, then one can absolutely depend that the presentation is biased, the information presented incorrectly and misrepresented/twisted.
If I want to know what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, I'll ask a Jehovah's Witness.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I did not, will not, Sam-I-Am.
Thanks for the info. I know we'll all be able to sleep a lot better tonight.
Nice little prejudice you have going for yourself. Is this a Mormon thing? I know they have a couple of pretty wild beliefs themselves.
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Yes, probably, filled with half-truths. I don’t read information from known liars.
As you no doubt view certain websites.
I just want the info from a more objective, reputable source.
What is shocking to me that the Jehovah's Witnesses do again and again is calling what the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses decide and do is saying it is Jehovah deciding and doing it. Heads up! Honest to God. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is NOT God.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Yes. I am prejudiced.
Very much so.
Here it is in a nutshell:
I do not trust that any non-believer of any belief system will present those beliefs fairly, honestly or correctly. There is no, and I repeat, NO, incentive for a non-believer to present the beliefs of any religion in a positive, or even fairly neutral, way, because there is no such thing as a neutral position in religion.
In order to check to see if that informant is correct in what s/he says ABOUT the target religion, one will have to go to a believer to confirm it. Since this is so, it's better just to go to a believer in the first place.
Consider: there is no incentive for a believer to lie about what his/her beliefs actually are. I mean, the POINT is to convert people, right? Or at least, to have people think well of them and/or not hate them?
So why lie about it? WE might end up thinking those beliefs are strange, but when we do, we will have an honest comparison to make that judgment call. I think we can make up our own minds.
So yeah, I'm a Mormon. You might think we have strange beliefs, and to you they may well be. However, unless you got the information ABOUT Mormonism FROM A MORMON, you don't really know if those beliefs are actually 'Mormon" or not.
Because no third party is going to present them honestly even if they intend to and think they are. It's not possible.
..............................that's why I won't go to third party sources for information about the beliefs of any system.
So....is the guy in this video a JW or not? If he is, then you have poisoned the well pretty thoroughly by characterizing those beliefs as 'shocking,' in an attempt to prejudice the viewers.
I find that sort of thing to be underhanded at best.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Yeah, well you know... It's probably about as accurate and objective as asking Judas Iscariot about Christianity.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
(Sits back like Darth Sidious)
Shad
Veteran Member
I wasn't the target audience so was not "primed" to be shocked.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yes I know...how much more completely SHOCKING can you get?
We are going to hell for sure....
Or we need to remove all carpet from your house. Avoid door knobs too
They believe Jesus died on 'an upright stake'? Impalement, the method Vlad Dracul made his trademark? The one mentioned in 2 Samuel 21 (but usually politely translated as 'hung')?
If that's right, then they don't believe in the stigmata, but I don't know what they call what replaces it.
There is nothing that replaces it
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That actor played evil to the hilt, imo!
BTW, I like your signature line...it is unique and thought provoking. (Another opinion, I guess.)
Skwim
Veteran Member
So you didn't even listen to what he said, yet you imply he wasn't objective and even say he was wrong. *sheeesh!*
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How can you claim to have a neutral, balanced view if you never learn about criticisms or cons to the pros? I can understand wanting to get both sides of a story, but only getting one side, either side, couldn't be seen as objective imo.