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Featured To what extent are Islamic terrorists inspired by Muhammad and the Quran?

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  1. SA Huguenot

    SA Huguenot Well-Known Member

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    And even if this is a fact, all Muslims adhere to the hadith as the second most holy writing on earth.
    You will never change a Muslims' mind that because the hadith was a late writing, they should not adhere to it.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I do not know the above sentence, and so.....

    Is this a variation on 'Honi Soit qui mali pense'?

    If so, you're pretty much cranked up in your thinking, imo.

    I have known so many decent people over decades whose main objective was to reduce, deter, avoid, arrest and protect from violence in all manner of ways.

    To be affective in this they had to reflect upon, think about, empathise with, understand and discuss in their attempts to protect others.

    And so, on those occasions when people pointed fingers at such as them and called, 'You thought it so you are it' I used to feel so much anger, but now in age I can only feel sadness.
     
  3. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    The Quran was compiled 200 years after Muhammed,what's your point?
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Please tell us.......
    If you had the power and the following, what would you do about Islam, then?
     
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    When Bukhari gave his testament he was over 90 and there were some 60,000 hadiths. Most were local tribal custom NOT from Muhammed.
     
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    Muhammad’s claim to be a prophet and bearer of a Revelation from God as Jesus and Moses were is an important question for us all. It’s certainly what’s believed by His Followers.

    Can the Word of God whether it be the Bible or Quran be used by religious leaders to incite violence and hatred? Whether or not both or neither books are from God, historians tell us that book books have been used to inspire and encourage war.
     
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    Aren't you that recent internet expert that's never been out of the US?
     
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    There is the sentiment among some Muslim men that women are the cause of the sin that men do. It is said, though not in the Quran, that there are more women in Hell than men. The idea of 72 virgins for every man in heaven is not quranic.
     
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    Violence and hatred live inside of every person. Acting upon it and claiming its because of a god is a cop out. At least the nonbelievers in god accept its the fault of their own actions(well sort of. Some just blame other people).
     
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    None of this seems strange. In times where people were much less educated and more hierarchical they readily followed where their leaders took them in war and faith.
     
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    I may STILL be both Muslim and Christian, and perhaps some Jewish, and Sumerian too. :) Most religious leaders assume that they have some right to expect me to obey them. They should not hold their breath. I obey only God. The rest are out of luck.
     
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    It is easy to cherry pick. I could select violent verses from the Bible (eg the book of Joshua) and peaceful verses from the Quran.
     
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    Just one thing.
    1. Tell them they have the right to read the Bible for themself. (at this stage Muslims are not allowed to do so, but work according to the IPCI's "Combat kit")
    2. Tell them they have the right to choose their religion. (at this stage any apostate , or Child of Muslims will receive the death penalty for leaving Islam.)
    3. forbid Sharia law, forbid the veil, forbid female mutelatoin
     
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    What does Jesus say?
    No!
    period
     
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    SA Huguenot Well-Known Member

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    Give me an example.
     
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    Most Muslims I know have read the Bible or parts of it. Jesus is mentioned over 30 times in the Koran so naturally they would be interested. They just don't believe in blood sacrifice or original sin. They are thrilled that the purest of the Prophets didn't suffer such a cruel and humiliating death on the cross.

    FGM is African and pretty rare in the Gulf states.

    Sharia law is just the well worn path to life giving water.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion as we all are.

    The Quran I see has a similar status to the Torah and Gospels in that they represent God’s Revelation. Yet the Quran says little about the life of Muhammad Himself in contrast to what the Torah tells us of Moses or the Gospels Jesus.

    So we have the Hadiths and Sira to provide us with disparate and contradictory accounts on the life of Muhammad. The Sunnis have their Hadiths as do the Shi’a. Christian apologists choose the violent stories to make their case to portray Muhammad exactly as you have. One such as myself will choose different verses to portray a more saintly character.

    But what does it prove, particularly if all these accounts are contradictory and unreliable? They just become repositories where we project our prejudices, positive or negative.

    Criticism of Hadith - Wikipedia
     
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    And you just displayed your error.
    Christian Apolgists are not choosing these violent stories to make a case to portray Muhammad as a violent war and whore monger!
    Christian apologists are showing you what Jihadi's and Muslim rape gangs are using from the Quran and Hadith to do exectly what Muhammad did.
    You are the one attempting to whitewash Islamic terror for your own religion!

    Dont even try to convince me that Muhammad was a peacefull man, and the Bible promoted violence.
    In Bahai, you try to mix islam and Christianity....pal that is a failure at mest.
    It might work for the ignorant, not for the informed.

    So, did you visit Ali Sina's website with evidence?
    You cant.
     
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    So your saying he was confused because he was over 90 and imagined it?,this is a sahih Hadith,he didn't do much different from any other warlord in history.
     
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