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Featured To what extent are Islamic terrorists inspired by Muhammad and the Quran?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by adrian009, Jul 3, 2019.

  1. David T

    David T Well-Known Member
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    "And this is perfectly true. However, when judging whether this is the case, it is important to look at the source material"

    Well Rumi didnt seem so mentally ill about it. So maybe mental illness needs to be redefined!
     
  2. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    I don't quite understand point 2. I guess as a 21st century person, I just don't see how putting crosses on sheilds is going to change what I personally believe.

    ...Which leads back to the Muslims. Why would the main tribe in Mecca abandon their religion for Islam? Were they intimidated by Muslim terror? Or did they envy the Muslims?
     
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    I would link inspiration with interpretation, propaganda and charismatic figures. A lot of people will lose all sense if someone in authority with charisma tells them X, Y and Z.
     
  4. adrian009

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    It all looks like one Quran to me. Many scholars are unable to distinguish the Meccan and Medinian Suras. Context is everything and the verses make sense when considering the tribal warfare that took place. If the Muslims lost the men would most likely have been killed and women and children taken as slaves.

    The Quran itself makes no mention of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza. The story originated from the Sira, a book whose reliability is questioned almost universally. Not so with the Quran whose origins are widely considered Muhammad Himself.

    Banu Qurayza - Wikipedia
     
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    I agree and thanks for providing well chosen references from the Quran itself. I too see little association between those whom Muhammad criticised and Hindus. It all comes down to Sura 2:44 as you say.
     
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    So Biblical verses have never been used by Christian leaders to justify religious warfare, racism, slavery, the oppression of women and all manner of atrocities?
     
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    And what evidence would support such claims about Muhammad?
     
  8. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    The "bloody" part of your post should be followed by "enough".
     
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    They are good questions for Muslims. Most religious claims are difficult to convincingly verify and a degree of faith is required. Perhaps what can be verified to some extent is:
    1/ The Quran was likely to be a record of the words Muhammad Himself spoke.
    2/ Muhammad was the leader of a new religious community and like most religious leaders was revered by His followers. Muslims don’t revere Muhammad as God and Divinely perfect as Christians revere Christ.
     
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    I agree with much of what you say. I see neither Muhammad nor the Quran as corrupted, but Islam became corrupt early on. The Shi’a believe it was Ali, Muhammad’s Son-in-law who was Muhammad’s intended successor. Instead His wishes were usurped by Umar and Abu Bakr.

    Abu Bakr - Wikipedia
     
  11. Ellen Brown

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    How about I'm fed up with plonkers who think they know, but don't? On Ignore you go.
     
  12. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    There are hadiths that do

    Narrated Abu-Sa'id al-Khudri: When the tribe of Banu Qurayza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."
    Sahih Bukhari 4:52:280, See Also: Sahih Bukhari 5:58:148, Sahih Bukhari 8:74:278, Sahih Muslim 19:4368, Sahih Muslim 19:4369

    If one looks at the sura authored in medina and mecca they are different,I'm not saying they are two different books but by dividing it between the two places it gives a better insight as to why they were authored imo.
     
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  13. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    You forgot your teddy bear that you threw from your cradle ;-)
     
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    The association between sexual suppression and violence has some merit.
     
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    There are not so many on this forum who have been both Christian and Islam so I value your insights. Like you I revere both Muhammad and the Quran though have been content being Baha’i for nearly 30 years.
     
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    give me an example.
     
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    You obviously never read the Sirat and Ahadith!
     
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    They were mostly pagans .. The problem was the revenue stream from the pilgrims.. Muhammed destroyed all the idols except the virgin Mary.

    The total population of Arabia was quite small.
     
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    The Bukhari hadiths came out of Persia 200 years after Muhammed.
     
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    Again, You obviously never read the history of Muhammad and the hadith.
    If you dont see Muhammad as corrupt, I see him as corrupted.
    He was a terrorist, murdered, torturer, liar, war monger, rapist, all in the name of Allah.
    Tell you what,
    Ali Sina made a Challenge to anyone that can refute the above claims.
    You can get $50 000 if you can prove him wrong on any single point.
    Sina’s Challenge

    So, dont come and tell me that Muhammad was a good man, first get the facts, and go to Ali Sina and get your &50K.
    Then come back and show me where my investigation into Islam is wrong.

    By the way, this challenge was issued in 2001 already!
    the only response was ... yes you got it...
    Death threats!
    The spirit of Muhammad lives in every Muslim.
    if not, it awakes with the truth against him.
     
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