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Featured To be fair: I’m also a God denier, an enemy of God beliefs

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jim, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. Jim

    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    Someone pointed out some one-sidedness in a thread that I started, I’m a science denier, an enemy of science, so I decided to try to balance that out with this thread.

    What I’m denying is the validity of all proofs of the existence or reality of the God of Abraham. Saying that I’m an enemy of God beliefs doesn’t mean that I want to campaign against them. It means that I’m denouncing the practice of people calling their beliefs “what God says,” and what I’m promoting might undermine that.

    Actually, what I’m denouncing is people using their beliefs, religious beliefs and science beliefs, to excuse and camouflage unloving attitudes and behavior, but I think that’s inseparable from the practice of people calling their beliefs “what God says” and “what science says.”

    If anyone wants to discuss my views about science beliefs, I would rather do it in the other thread. In this thread I only want to discuss my views about God beliefs, people calling their beliefs “what God says.”
     
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    Hi Jim.

    How do you reconcile 'being a God denier' with 'learning to be a follower of Baha'u'llah'?:)
     
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  3. Jim

    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    I don’t want to discuss that in this thread. Try this one: Jim’s views and goals
     
  4. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Not much to discuss for either thread.

    You are free man live and do as you chose so long as you harm no others, I have no complaints. Even if I disagree with ya.
     
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  5. Desert Snake

    Desert Snake .Jesuist Mystic

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    The premise although contextual is problematic because it is so contextual.

    You really aren't saying much, aside from
    'G-d denier'

    That's really the only direct thing you're saying, [not vague
     
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    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    You haven’t seen people calling their beliefs “what God says”? Would you like me to give some examples? One example is “It isn’t what I believe, it’s what the Bible says.” That’s an example of what I’m denouncing.
     
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    Desert Snake .Jesuist Mystic

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    Religious beliefs are often informed by the Bible, or extra texts, so making an argument in a textual manner is what one might expect.

    Anyways, that's a bit more explanation, so I'll leave it at that.
     
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    Sound more like you denouncing people and not their belief. People are free to believe what they want. And they have their own understanding of that religion or spiritual teaching. So if you disagree that much you denouncing them, then you denouncing the people who har their own belief.

    Question: should everyone belive the same as you do?
     
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    I’m denouncing some behavior that I see on all sides. If denouncing behavior is denouncing people, then yes, I’m denouncing people.
    No. I think that it’s better not to believe anything at all.
     
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    So you become an Atheist and not a Baha`i ?
     
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    IMHO, God can never be understood by human mind, so human proof is never True in this case. So I agree. Don't all?

    I agree with this also

    Again I agree. Hence I rather avoid those phrases. At least people better start with IMHO when they quote God I think.

    Summorized: It seems I could not agree more with how you phrased it here
     
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    I don’t want to discuss that in this thread. Try this one: Jim’s views and goals
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Why should you be denouncing other people or their beliefs? Believe whatever you want to believe and let others do the same.
     
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    Hi! :) Long time no see!
     
  15. Desert Snake

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    Hows that definition of god working out for you?:cool:


    Seems pretty vague.
     
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    Is God something that you prove?
    OR
    Is God an axiom that you choose to accept?

    Can anyone here prove that parallel lines do not cross each other?
     
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    Another example of people calling their beliefs “what God says,” is “I know that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and all life does not have a common ancestor, because the Bible says so.”
     
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    I’ll narrow down what I’m saying, and say say that I’m denouncing the practice of people calling their beliefs “what God says,” to validate them in opposition to the beliefs of others, I don’t mean that it’s always malicious. I mean that I think it’s harmful, whether people intend it that way or not.
     
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    Why do you feel it is harmful?
    If it says in a religious text. God says.... about a topic in the teaching. And a person who follows God, for example the Christian God, and they choose to say, God says this is wrong, or God says this is good to do. Why would that be harmful to follow?
     
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    There might be some contexts where there’s no harm in calling a direct word-for-word quotation of the words of God in some scriptures “what God says.” What I’m denouncing is people saying things that are not direct quotes from the scriptures and calling that “what God says,” to validate what they’re saying in opposition to other people’s beliefs.
     
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