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Timeline of Creation of the Universe

Discussion in 'Christianity in General DIR' started by iris89, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Timeline of Creation of the Universe



    BEFORE CREATION BEGAN:



    At first God (YHWH) was all alone as he always existed, i.e., had no beginning. Simple Biblical fact, At one time, God (YHWH) was the only being that existed. The universe, the angels, and all else did NOT EXIST. Then God (YHWH) started creating as recorded at Revelation 4:11, "Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created." (American Standard Version; ASV); and Psalms 148:1-6, "Praise ye Jehovah. Praise ye Jehovah from the heavens: Praise him in the heights. 2 Praise ye him, all his angels: Praise ye him, all his host. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: Praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, And ye waters that are above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of Jehovah; For he commanded, and they were created. 6 He hath also established them for ever and ever: He hath made a decree which shall not pass away." (ASV); and Hebrews 3:4, "For every house is builded by some one; but he that built all things is God." (ASV). So all EXCEPT GOD (YHWH) was created, and that would include his only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua).



    In other words is of course is per Psalms 83:18, "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."



    SECOND PERIOD:



    God (YHWH) out of love which is his primary attribute per 1 John 4:8, "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) so he started creating. His first creation was his beloved only begotten Son that we now know as Jesus (Yeshua) Christ per Colossians 1:15, " Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (AV); and Revelations 3:14, "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans F1 write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (AV).



    He used this beloved only begotten Son, then known as Wisdom, but now after his incarnation as a human known as Jesus (Yeshua) as his master worker per Proverbs 8:22-31, "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. 27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep, 28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong, 29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth; 30 Then I was by him, [as] a master workman; And I was daily [his] delight, Rejoicing always before him, 31 Rejoicing in his habitable earth; And my delight was with the sons of men." (ASV). Clearly showing that he had been created before God (YHWH) started his creation of all else. This is clearly shown by, ", "Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.." ; and by, "25 Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth;" clearly showing that his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) had brought him forth and/or created him before all else. Therefore he could say, "When he established the heavens, I was there:"



    That is why Jesus (Yeshua) could say at John 8:58, "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.." (ASV) so Jesus (Yeshua) could say he existed before Abraham, but the religious leaders could not accept this. Why? Because it contradicted their strongly held creedal beliefs!



    God (YHWH) as shown in Proverbs and reiterated at Colossians 1:16-17, "for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; 17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist." (ASV) as his master worker, harkening back to Proverbs 8:22-31 previously quoted. Thus, Paul could say at Colossians 1:18, "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (ASV). Why was this? The Bible explains because it pleased his Father, God Almighty (YHWH) as Colossians 1:19, "For it was the good pleasure [of the Father] that in him should all the fulness dwell;" (ASV). As can be readily seen, he was not only made the first of creation by his Father, God (YHWH), but the first in everything including the first to be resurrected to heaven.



    This fact, that God (YHWH), his Father, used him as his master worker is further highlighted at John 1:2-4, "The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men." (ASV), note the fact that, "all things were made through him," which once more harkens back to Proverbs 8:22-31 previously quoted. The beginning here likewise refers to the beginning of the creation of all else after he created Jesus (Yeshua), and not to a beginning for God (YHWH) as he always existed, and therefore had no beginning as clearly shown at Psalms 90:2, "Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (ASV); and Psalms 93:2, "Thy throne is established of old: Thou art from everlasting" (ASV), and 1 Timothy 1:17, "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, [be] honor and glory forever and ever. Amen." (ASV).

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    Because he is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore like any son would be a lot like any son would be a lot like his Father, Almighty God; to wit, in heaven a spirit being, it can be said that all fullness of the divine quality dwells in him or as commonly rendered in English, Godhead bodily, per Colossians 2:9, "for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily," (ASV). That is why at Isaiah 9:6 in ancient Hebrew the term 'El Gib-Bohr' or mighty god was applied to Jesus (Yeshua), and NOT "El Shaddi,' God Almighty which is applied to his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) at Genesis 17:1. Therefore, there is no violation of Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (ASV) since Jesus (Yeshua) is NOT a god before and/or equal to his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) [El Shaddi in ancient Hebrew]. Of course the fact that Jesus (Yeshua) is a deity is to be expected due to who his Father (YHWH) is, who always has existed unlike his son which follows.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  2. Harvster

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    Iris89,

    I would like you to show me where in the bible it states that Christ was created. I ask this because according to my study and many others it clearly states that he is the only begotten son. Stating this does not imply that one is created. To be created means to form something i.e. God forming man out of dust. Being born is not the same as created and should never be stated as such. When Paul states that Christ is the firstborn of all creation he is implying that he was of God and is God and was always there. The Peoples New Testament commentary states for Col 1:15 “The thought is that he existed before creation began; born of God instead of being created by the divine fiat; born before any creature was called into existence. The passage does not say that he was the first created, but the first-born. He was before creation. See John 1:1-2

    It is important to read scripture in its entirety as verses 16 as stated by W.E. Vine “is explanatory of his title, and shows that instead of being created, He was Himself the creator (God). The term “only begotten”, is absolute; as such, Christ stands alone in timeless relationship with the Father. The term “firstborn” is relative; it does distinguish him from all creatures, but it brings them in view to show His infinite superiority to them.”

    When Christ uses the words “I AM” in John 8:58, he is not saying that he was ‘created’ but that he always has been. According to one of the greatest theologians of modern times W.E. Vine in regards to the above statement by Christ, I quote “Conscious of His limitless, timeless existence in the past, He speaks of Himself by the eternal title of Jehovah, the great “I AM”.”
    These two words “I AM” are the only words that God uses to identify himself to Israel through Moses. When we introduce ourselves we have to conclude the words “I am” with our name suggesting inferiority. When God including Christ uses this profound statement he leaves it as “I AM” suggesting he is absolute. The only reason why the religious leaders where angry at Christ for using these words is due to the Fact that Christ was (correctly) identifying not only himself as God but being there with God at the very beginning as John stated in John 1:1-2. In other words he existed with God, was born with God and therefore is God. Where Abraham had a beginning and an end and was subjectable to time (age), divinity (God, Christ and the Holy Spirit) has no past tense, no future tense, but always the present, meaning God, Christ and the Holy Spirit share no beginning or end unlike creation.

    Secondly Christ is not known as “wisdom” throughout scripture but as “The Word” (spoken by God) It is through the Holy Spirit brooding over “The Word” that it becomes flesh as seen in the incarnation of Christ. With this in mind God spoke “The Word” to Mary then the Holy Spirit caused her to conceive by brooding upon this Word. By this, that “Word” became flesh and dwelt among us.



    Huh????????????????????? Sense this no make statement!:banghead3
     
  3. michel

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    [PART QUOTE=Harvster]Iris89,





    ..........."Huh????????????????????? Sense this no make statement!:banghead3 "........................[/PART QUOTE]
    "Because he is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore like any son would be a lot like any son would be a lot like his Father…"

    I think Iris means that the son would take after the father....;)
     
  4. chattersbox

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    I believe that he was in spritual body from the begging, then was born into the flesh, so he could be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. I did a Study on this once, and i cant remember another verse to go along with, it.. It was in the OT talking about being by his side when the earth was made
     
  5. chattersbox

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    found it

    Proverbs 8:22-31 (New International Version)

    22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, [b] , [c]
    before his deeds of old;


    23 I was appointed [d] from eternity,
    from the beginning, before the world began.

    24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
    when there were no springs abounding with water;

    25 before the mountains were settled in place,
    before the hills, I was given birth,

    26 before he made the earth or its fields
    or any of the dust of the world.

    27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
    when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

    28 when he established the clouds above
    and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,

    29 when he gave the sea its boundary
    so the waters would not overstep his command,
    and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

    30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
    I was filled with delight day after day,
    rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world
    and delighting in mankind



    1. <LI id=fen-NIV-16619a>Proverbs 8:16 Many Hebrew manuscripts and Septuagint; most Hebrew manuscripts and nobles-all righteous rulers <LI id=fen-NIV-16625b>Proverbs 8:22 Or way ; or dominion <LI id=fen-NIV-16625c>Proverbs 8:22 Or The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work ; or The LORD brought me forth at the beginning of his work
    2. Proverbs 8:23 Or fashioned
    Taken From The Bible Gateway
     
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