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Featured Time: Does the Bible say what Time is?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by SA Huguenot, Oct 14, 2019.

  1. dybmh

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    Can a photon have zero energy?

    Edit: Also... Transference implies time.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    May not exist, that is an unknown and unknowable
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    "The photon is a type of elementary particle. It is the quantum of the electromagnetic field including electromagnetic radiation such as light and radio waves, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force (even when static via virtual particles). The invariant mass of the photon is zero; it always moves at the speed of light in a vacuum.
    A photon is massless, has no electric charge, and is a stable particle." Photon - Wikipedia

    Carrier of energy, invarient mass zero. Like a copper wire through which electricity/energy flows. Does the wire move? Not even a bit.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    I like some of what you had to say.

    However God isn't very smart. One day is a thousand years by Earth standards? I don't think so.

    Maybe if God's planet revolves really really slow. *Grin*

    Besides time will change as the Earth gets older. It's already like that now with time zones.
     
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  6. dybmh

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    Yes... and try re-writing that same definition without any reference to Time? I don't think it can be done.

    If Light exists, Time exists. No?
     
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    Then there is the issue of whether time exists the same in far space as it does here.

    But time is not a by product of objects moving. Time is involved in the moving of matter. Time is not the moving of matter.
     
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    I am not a physicist. Such questions are very complex. What I read is that "The photon is the gauge boson for electromagnetism, and therefore all other quantum numbers of the photon (such as lepton number, baryon number, and flavor quantum numbers) are zero." Perhaps someone who knows these things could explain it better.

    "Elementary particles, whose interactions are described by a gauge theory, interact with each other by the exchange of gauge bosons - usually as virtual particles."
    Gauge boson - Wikipedia
     
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    If you don't mind the additional questions:

    Time is "maya" for an Advaitist? How does an Advaitist describe Light? Is it an important symbol in Hinduism?

    ( The reason I ask is that Light is often used as a metaphor in Abrahamic beliefs, but I am not familiar virtually ignorant of Hinduism and Non-Dualism. )
     
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    Pocket watches represent relative time ? No, they represent an attempt to measure time. Whether they keep good time, in relation to one another, or the atomic clock in Denver, is irrelevant.

    The measurement is not what is being measured, it only represents it to those wanting a measurement.
     
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    Yep.
    Time - Wikipedia

    "Time in physics is unambiguously operationally defined as 'what a clock reads'"

    A pocket watch is just one of the possible clocks. The atomic clock in Denver is another possible clock. Literally, all clocks in physics are attempts to measure time.

    What does that even mean?
     
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    If true, that shows that time cannot be limited to physics. I might ask how physics could measure if any time existed in some section of the universe where there were no clocks?
    Attempts to measure something does not mean such attempts define and compose what is trying to be measured. The mere act of observation does not constitute anything more than observing what is happening or exists or whose effects exist.
     
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    You might want to rethink that 'God is neither male or female'. God is referred to as male because He is male. Society is dominated and controlled by males because God is male.

    Jesus Christ, The Son, took on a male body because God is male.

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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    It´s the other way around, I think. It was just the Abrahamic cultures which discarded the female part of JHVH, goddess Ashera, and then some cultures became male dominated and skewed and even the translation of the Bible became non sensical in many departments.
     
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    God is pure energy and light, do you think He has sexual organs ?

    The plan given by God is hierarchical, just like it is in Heaven. On earth the head of the various units including the family is a male.

    For humans to relate the heavenly version of this, God is identified as a male.

    That is why Christ is a male.

    In the case Of God, it is allegorical,symbolic
     
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    It means what your pocket watch reads on itś dial isn´t time. It is a measurement of time.

    If I use a tape measure to lay out a swimming pool, the tape measure isn´t the pool, it is the measurement of the pool.
     
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    God is male in the Bible. You can blame it on culture all you want, but it was not culture. God dictated the culture of Israel, and the Church. Culture of pagans did not dictate to God.

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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    We are created in the image of God. Correct? If I have sexual organs it is because God does also.

    God is identified as male because He is male.

    So, God is an allegory? How about Jesus?...Him too?

    Good-Ole-Rebel
     
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    I think that it may be the case that the authors of Genesis intentionally left this discrepancy between day and night happening as a solar thing AND as a pre-solar thing in their account. While day and night are the usual understandings of the movement of time based on the movement of these "heavenly bodies" I believe that the authors also wanted to communicate a sense of time beyond that strict association. The incongruous use of day and night before the sun and moon may have been effort to address this sense that time must have pre-existed the sun and moon although there is no language to clearly state this in a direct way. That is, to the audience time and the motion of the sun are inseparable, but the authors of this passage in Genesis recognized that this was not strictly the case. This, discrepancy in the narrative, may have had an air of mystery and fascination for the intended audience. Mystery is and will always be a conveyor of significant truth.
     
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    On earth, God will inhabit the body of a woman. The name of God has been kept secret as well as her gender. That is why we don't know the given name of God. If we knew the name of God, we would know the God of Israel is a woman and Israel would've been weakened by it.
     
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