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Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by xic, Dec 12, 2014.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    Yes quite obviously Isaiah is talking about Israel NOT some distant future.
     
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    42 solar months is around 1278 days. 42 lunar months is around 1239 days. 42 prophetic months would be 1260 days. 42 months only equaled 1335 days during the period Julius Caesar reigned as an emperor before being "slain" (Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 13:3). That due to his changing the lunar calendar to the solar calendar of 365.25 days, with a resulting difference in the total number of days for 42 months to set things straight.
     
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    Partial Preterism started around the time of Luther by a Jesuit. Pre Trib started around the 17th century. Post tribulation starts around Matthew 24:29, when "immediately after the tribulation.... he will send forth his angels.. and they will gather his elect". As Daniel is still "at rest", and has not "rise again", for his "allotted portion at the "end of the age", and all the "kingdoms" of Daniel 2:35 have not been "crushed all at the same time", it seems pretty clear that your Jesuit was into his wine. As for the "end of the age" when you will see the nations brought to the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2) & (Zechariah 14:1-3) & (Revelation 16:13-16), you will have the nations gathered by the demon spirits of the "beast" in the form of his 8th head with 10 horns (Revelation 17:11). Obama is just one of the those 10 horns who hates the "harlot"/Judah/Jews (Revelation 17:16), and tried to gather the nations against Israel at his convened Paris conference. His role now seems to be to try and undermine Trump by his proxies, the deep state. Obama will be successful in that his partners, the kingdoms of Daniel 2:35 will "capture" "Jerusalem" but be cut down by a plague from God (Zechariah 14:12), and Judah will walk away with their gold and silver (Zechariah 14:14).
     
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    You must not read any of my posts.. I said yesterday and the day before that futurism was the work of a Jesuit Priest in response to Martin Luther's slander that Rome was the whore of Babylon and the Pope was the antichrist, but it really didn't catch on until promoted by Samuel Untermyer and Cyrus Scofield to further the cause of Zionism in 1909.
     
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    And yet, at some distant future time, Yeshua says basically the same thing (Matthew 6:23) & (Luke 11:35).

    Matthew 6:23
    But if your vision is poor, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

    New American Standard Bible Isaiah 5:20
    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
     
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    The Jesuit was a founder of the partial preterist interpretation of Revelation, not of "futurism". The Catholic Church thinks they are the kingdom of God on earth already, with the pope as "Christ on earth". You need to cut down on the number of locust you eat.

    One of the arguments used against a preterist interpretation of Revelation is that it was developed by Spanish Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (1554–1613) who wrote a commentary titled Vestigio Arcani Sensus in Apocaplysi or Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse and was published a year after his death. “In this work dedicated to the Catholic Church, he made a new attempt to interpret the Apocalypse by this Preterist scheme of exposition, that is, by the thesis that the prophecies were fulfilled in the past https://americanvision.org/7289/was...tation-of-revelation-invented-by-the-jesuits/
     
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    Neither Matthew nor Luke say anything about the distant future.
     
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    Rebira was TOLD to write this article by the pope to counter the slanders of Martin Luther. Its political NOT divine.
     
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    The Futurists deny with every breath that Jesus completed the work He came to do, they keep man waiting for some supernatural rapture event supposed to happen at some arbitrary date (for the last 2000 years) and then only those who are “religious” will be saved! The Dispensationalists are the worst.
     
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    It is your apparent political belief then. There is nothing true about it. The Roman church is not the kingdom of God on earth, and the pope is not "Christ on earth. Your whole Preterist theology is bunk, and now according to you, it is political bunk, instituted by the pope, who according to ex-cathedra, can speak for God, which is more bunk.
     
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    Nobody has said the Catholic church is the kingdom of God on earth. Is that what the futurists teach???

    Jesus said over any over again that his is not an earthly kingdom. but Futurists and Christian Zionists claim Jesus will rule from Jerusalem,
     
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    Apparently he came to provide a way and a light. But as the "Word" made flesh, he would be the "stone" rejected by the builders.(Psalm 118:22). The temple/sanctuary of the LORD, would not be rebuilt until the 3rd day, after 2 days/2000 years (Joel 6:2) (Ezekiel 37:28)

    Psalm 118:22 The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;
     
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    You apparently aren't familiar with Preterist theology. According to that theology, everything has been completed. One of the things left to be completed is Ezekiel 37, whereas Judah and Ephraim are joined into one, and David would be their king, they would live on the land I gave to Jacob, and "My sanctuary is in their midst forever" (Ezekiel 37:28). Along with that, the nations, which are left, will worship the king in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16). (Isaiah 40:10-11)

    Isaiah 40:10-11. Behold, the Lord God will come with a strong hand — With invincible strength, to deliver his people from their most powerful enemies; and his arm shall rule for him — His own power shall be sufficient, without any other help, to overcome all opposition.
     
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    Ezekiel is writing about the ideal restoration that can never be realized because Israel had not met the terms of that conditional covenant. It never got beyond Ezekiel's contemporaries.
     
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    Feel free to point us out when the time comes 2ndpillar. We’re all over the place!

    Didn't you just add pre-tribbers as "tares" to be gathered up at Matthew 13:30?

    Apparently my bible left out this little detail. A printing mistake perhaps?
     
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    Matthew 24:16 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

    Luke 21:21 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.
     
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    Whose eyes are we using?

    If yours, then I'm pretty sure you've already seen which scriptures I use.:)

    There is no “one and done” tribulation for the Christian church. The church will always undergo periods of tribulation, some more severe than others until the great tribulation has passed.

    The same way you would when someone alleges a 1600 year absence of Preterism of course. Preterism, Idealism, Historicism, Futurism, Eclecticism...take your pick and argue. They are here to stay, at least for our immediate future and I seriously doubt we'll be able to lay any to rest on this forum.

    That’s caused by bad pastors, not bad theology. It’s like claiming Christianity leads to witches and crusades.

    Jehovah Witnesses go around claiming they're the only ones preaching the coming Kingdom of God. Should we blame Preterist theology for that? How about the Millerites or Shakers? Would these institutions have gotten off to a rolling start if the Preterists weren't there to tell them it's all in the past?

    And didn’t the Jews face a similar problem, with everyone and their brother claiming to be the Messiah? We simply have a mirror image. No one claims to be the anti-Christ, but everyone and his brother is able to clearly point him out...especially if their avatar is named @2ndpillar.

    Christianity constantly undergoes periods of challenge and our current age is no different. There will always be someone trying to steer the rudder but Christ remains firmly in control. If the Roman Legions, Emperors, McCarthyism, Communism, Nazism, and Satan couldn’t destroy the Christian church then I doubt a few theologians will either.

    We cannot change the head of the Christian church like we do garments, so I have no fear of it being handed off to someone else. Will people get deceived? Of course. It's been predicted.

    And yes, I understand the anxiety/alarm if you think the events of Matthew 7:22-23 have already passed, but from my perspective it’s still future, and I believe, based on what I'm seeing around me, rightfully so.
     
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    I think the Kingdom of God is spiritual and it was the end of their world.. the end of an age and a new beginning so yes I think the tribulation ended after 42 months.. All the nations did attack Jerusalem because Titus' troops were made up of legions from Syria, the Arabs, Persians and the Levant. They were all part of the Roman Empire at the time and that gave the soldiers Roman citizenship.

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    According to accounts by Josephus it was terrible.

    Josephus: "all the calamities which had befallen any nation from the beginning of the world were but small in comparison with those of the Jews" Wars 6:8:5; 9:2:3; 5:11:1.
     
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    You still have up as down and down as up. The valley of judgment (Joel 3:2), Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16) is for the judgment of the nations for what they did to Israel. Jacob/Israel will be saved from it (Jeremiah 30:7), but the nations "I will destroy" (Jeremiah 30:11).
     
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    All the nations around Jerusalem fought with Titus and the Roman legions.. There were troops from Syria, Egypt as well as Arabs and Turks.

    You should know that by now.

    Daniel 9:26 and a Muslim Antichrist - Christian Worldview ...
    christianworldviewpress.com/daniel-9-26-muslim-antichrist
    Interestingly, it is now believed by Roman historians that the eastern legions, which attacked and destroyed Jerusalem, were made up almost entirely of Syrians, Egyptians, and other Middle Eastern peoples, not Europeans. By 70 AD, Italians made up only around 20% of all Roman soldiers; only 1% by the end of the first century.
     
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