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Three scriptural reasons Barack Obama is the Beast

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by xic, Dec 12, 2014.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Isaiah 22:15-25 was talking about the guy who was given the "key" to the "house of David" and when "he opens no one will shut" (Isaiah 22:22), and his successor, who will profess to hold the same. Peter, would be "Shebna", who was put "in charge of the royal household", and who would "shame" his "master's home". (Isaiah 22:18).
     
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    Shebna [H]

    tender youth, "treasurer" over the house in the reign of Hezekiah, i.e., comptroller or governor of the palace. On account of his pride he was ejected from his office, and Eliakim was promoted to it ( Isaiah 22:15-25 ). He appears to have been the leader of the party who favoured an alliance with Egypt against Assyria. It is conjectured that "Shebna the scribe," who was one of those whom the king sent to confer with the Assyrian ambassador ( 2 Kings 18:18 2 Kings 18:26 2 Kings 18:37 ; 19:2 ; Isaiah 36:3 Isaiah 36:11 Isaiah 36:22 ; 37:2 ), was a different person.
     
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    Isaiah 22 is a "oracle concerning the valley of vision" when "Elam" (Iran missile site) will take up their "quiver"/nuclear missiles (Isaiah 22:6), and capture the city of David (Isaiah 22:9) (Zechariah 14:1-3) & (Jeremiah 49:35), without slaying with a sword (Isaiah 22:3), which will be in the "awesome day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32 & 3:2). Where upon, Elam/Iran/Persia will be "scattered to the winds" (Jeremiah 49:36) & (Daniel 2:35).

    Shebna/Peter of Isaiah 22:15 was the "steward" put in "charge of the royal household", and his successor to that post after he was to be "deposed" for shaming his "master's house" (Isaiah 22:18), was "Eliakim"/pope. As head stewards, they both had the "key of the house of David" (Isaiah 22:18-19), and "when he shuts no one will open" (Matthew 16:19). Shebna/Peter was to "die" in a "vast country"/Rome (Isaiah 22:18). These two represent Peter and his successor the pope, and like your Shebna the scribe, they tried to keep the truth from those of Judea by having Rabshakeh to speak in his own Assyrian language and not in Hebrew in front of the Judeans (Isaiah 36:12). The parallel being the language of Latin, versus the language of the people. In that sense there is a parallel, in that the pope/Eliakim, and his church, didn't want the bible translated into the language of the people. That being said, Eliakim became head of household (Isaiah 36:22) following the "deposing" of Shebna from office (Isaiah 22:19), who was the original head of household (Isaiah 22:15). You are confusing Shebna the secretary/scribe, with Shebna the head steward/administrator.

    To stay on topic, Obama would be the pope's Muslim friend, who the pope used to try and get administrative control of the Mount Zion.
     
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  4. sooda

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    Pretty sick stuff. First thing Obama isn't a Muslim.. Remember the stupid slander against JFK?

    Torturing scripture to place it thousands of years in the future is the work of con men and opportunists.

    When they claim a Quiver is Nuclear Weapons you know you are being deceived by very ugly and calculating people.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I have to second @sooda on this, and it's largely the reason why I ignore and/or don't respond to the vast majority of your posts. It appears that some group with a rather devious agenda has managed to convince you of so many absurdities, sorry to say.
     
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  6. 2ndpillar

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    Obama's supposed father was a Muslim, and his adopted father was a Muslim. Being a minority Muslim in a Christian country, allows him to lie about his religion. And JFK was from a Catholic family. No slander in Protestants being worried about Catholics, the rocky foundation of their own religion. Thinking that one lives in the kingdom of heaven, when they actually live in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, is real torture. A "quiver" is where arrows/missiles are kept. As for the affects of nuclear weapons, read Zechariah 14:12, "their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet", with respect to those who go to war with Jerusalem, which will happen soon enough(Joel 3:2).
     
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    As the supposed Eliakim stand in, the pope thinks he has the key to the "house of David" (Isaiah 22:22), which is located on Mount Zion. He tried to get Obama to pressure Netanyahu into getting him that control. Apparently, the pope doesn't even have the key/control over his own house.

    www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24447/Default.aspx
    Report: Vatican Presses for Control of Mount Zion. In response to reports regarding the negotiations, the Jerusalem Municipality released a statement insisting that it would remain "the central sovereign power on Mount Zion.". Others are not so sure, and believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu intends to turn over control of Mount Zion prior to Pope Francis' visit to the Holy Land in May.
     
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    Obama is not... was not... an emperor... The beast is NOT a modern day slander.

    Obama went to Catholic school in a Muslim majority country and attended a co-ed international school founded by the Dutch in a majority Muslim country. Bearing false witness is a sin in Islam, Judaism and Christianity. You don't know the meaning of Taqiyya or Lashon Hara either.
     
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    Obama ruled as a dictator by virtue of a pen and a cell phone, and knew it was unconstitutional when he did it. He would be numbered as one of the horns of the 8th beast, who were to hate the "harlot (Revelation 17:11), the Jews, although he wouldn't be up front about it. What he loved, according to his writings, was the Muslim call to prayer. And Muslim's can lie to their wives and their enemies, and Obama was an enemy to the U.S. people and their constitution, but apparently a friend to the church of the tares, the church of the "many" (Matthew 7:13). As for Obama's religion, as a supposed son of a Muslim, he would be deemed a Muslim. As for Reverend Wright, his church was more of a political movement, with a non profit religious designation, and a means for Obama o pick up a wife, and get into politics. The Iranians were looking for their Mahdi in 2008. Guess who showed up in 2008. Obama saved their bacon, and delivered them 150 billion in currency to boot to finance their jihads and secret nuclear programs. And what is the primary goal of Iran? Kill Satan and little satan.

    abcnews.go.com/Blotter/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4443788&...
    Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America." The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of …

    Taqiyya. In Islam taqiyya تقية is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.

    sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/taqiyya
    Taqiyya ("al Taqiyya") is the Muslims' license to lie to infidels in order to camouflage Islam's holy war strategy (jihad) to conquer the world. The strategy mentioned through orders and solicitations in the Quran 3:28 and other Islamic writings and reference applies to all Western countries and against all infidels people (non-muslims)...
     
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    What exactly is this "devious agenda"? Feel free to point out any "absurdities" for the benefit of the unwashed. We don't want you to be the sole holder of the key. Tell us what your father, teacher, and leader, the pope, has taught you.
     
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    Not at all.
     
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    This crap is why Christianity is dying in first world countries.
     
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    I believe it was not the Caesars. You have to understand what you read.

    Gaius Julius Caesar - 622
    Gaius Octavius Thurinus (Augustus Caesar) - 622
    Tiberius Claudius Nero - 497
    Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus - 29232
    Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus; (Caligula) 62232

    If I missed on let me know.
     
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    I believe that depends on whether you do the full name or just the initials. The anti-Christ is supposed to dominate all the religions and should be born in historical Israel.
     
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    I believe you should tell us how else one would identify a number with a man.
     
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    Julius Caesar died in 44 BC.

    Vespasian was stuck in Palestine for six month before he went to Rome to be inducted as Caesar. During that six months after the death of Nero his son Domitian was temporary emperor of Rome.
     
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    What are the numbers for?

    Rome had four emperors in 69 AD.
     
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    Nero's persecution was particularly vicious. Tacitus (c. A.D. 60-120), a Roman historian, has preserved a record of this situation. We quote the following from his Annals (XV.44).

    “And so, to get rid of this rumor, Nero set up [i.e., falsely accused] as the culprits and punished with the utmost refinement of cruelty a class hated for their abominations, who are commonly called Christians.

    Christus, from whom their name is derived, was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius.

    Checked for a moment, this pernicious superstition again broke out, not only in Judea, the source of the evil, but even in Rome....

    Accordingly, arrest was first made of those who confessed [to being Christians]; then, on their evidence, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much on the charge of arson as because of [their] hatred for the human race. Besides being put to death they were made to serve as objects of amusement; they were clothed in the hides of beasts and torn to death by dogs; others were crucified, others set on fire to serve to illuminate the night when daylight failed.

    Nero had thrown open his grounds for the display, and was putting on a show in the circus, where he mingled with the people in the dress of charioteer or drove about in his chariot. All this gave rise to a feeling of pity, even towards men whose guilt merited the most exemplary punishment; for it was felt that they were being destroyed not for the public good but to gratify the cruelty of an individual.”

    https://www.bible-history.com/nero/NEROTacitus_on_the_Emperor_Nero.htm
     
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    Tacitus would be about 4 years old at the time of Nero's fiddling, and was not known for being an objective writer. This despite the fact that Nero's supposed killing of Paul, the founder of Christianity, had little to do with the Jews, the holy people, who had been thrown out of Rome at that time, other than both Paul and Nero persecuted supposed followers of "Jesus". Revelation 13:7 is about the "beast" making war with the saints, the holy people, not the lawless followers of Paul (Romans 7:6), the "Christians". Paul was probably killed more for his political association with Herod than him being "Christian". As avowed "sinners", the "Christians" would be more in the realm of being sons of the devil than sons of God (1 John 3:8).
     
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    Nope.. the invasion of Judah and Jerusalem, not by the Medes and Persians, but by the Assyrian army.

    Assyria’s conquest of the northern kingdom of Israel began approximately 740 BC under King Pul.

    Assyrian siege of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Siege_of_Jerusalem
    The Assyrian account. After he besieged Jerusalem, Sennacherib was able to give the surrounding towns to Assyrian vassal rulers in Ekron, Gaza and Ashdod. His army was still in existence when he conducted campaigns in 702 BCE and from 699 BCE until 697 BCE, when he made several campaigns in the mountains east of Assyria,...

    Assyrian captivity - Wikipedia
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    The Assyrian captivity (or the Assyrian exile) is the period in the history of Ancient Israel and Judah during which several thousand Israelites of ancient Samaria were resettled as captives by Assyria. This is one of the many instances of forcible relocations implemented by the …
     
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