Three New Delhi Blasts Kill at Least 58

[mr.guy]

Find out yourself dammit! I'm not a friggin encyclopedia!

Ahhh! Our jedi lesson bgins already! But, upon contemplation, what truely is the jewel fkm has left us with here? Is he teaching by example, by evading any questions that might give others insight to his religion (thus wisdom that could be used against him) or is he encouraging us to do independent research, teaching that no one source can of any use for true knowlegde; a jedi must learn all on his own and never be helpful.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

Do independent research, instead of sitting around like squealing pigs, expecting to be served. but heres something, if anyone actually cares:


The Grey path is ultimately one of achieving balance between Dark and Light. They believe that this is required for them to live their lives: A life of perfect moderation, and that balance is crucial for a Jedi. If balance is not reached, it can lead to terrible consequences. Furthermore they see grey as the true side or colour of the Force, in which they are able to display abilities at full power and hold ultimate control. By sharing both powers equally, they can be used in circumstances they are needed.
A Grey Jedi lives to serve the Force, through balance, whereas the Shadow uses whatever is necessary to do the Force’s Will (even if it means to use more Light than Dark, etc). Grey Jedi practice equal merits of both. Qui-Gon's "I shall do what I must," is a statement that many Grey believe every Jedi should be able to say, in order to serve the Force, whether it brings destruction or havoc, or peace and prosperity. (Although it is equally applicable to the Shadow as well).

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

I'm not going to report on this tragic event, its not my job. I just want to know how our religion, a religion of peace and understanding, a religion of violence only at last resort, a religion of understanding and acceptance towards all, how did Islam become the tool of terrorists. I myself am a Muslim but we must take it upon ourselves to find out how the teachings in the Holy Qur'an have become so mis-interpreted to the point of mass murder. I dont regard these terrorists as freedom fighters or soldiers in a Holy War, I consider them to be what they are and what they are is evil. Theyre terrorist thugs whose intentions are the murder of innocent people, of jews and of anyone considered a threat to their movement. I call upon my fellow Muslim brothers & sisters in hopes that we might restore Islam to good-name and respect by countering the use of Islam for genocide. There are those who discriminate against us but they only hate what they fear and only fear what they dont understand. We must make it understood what true Islam is and that we arent like those Muslims who bomb and terrorize the world and have perverted the Qur'an. We must have faith and be strong for if we do than Allah shall surely deliver His justice.

Bravo kind sir. I am heartened to hear this coming from a Muslim. I think what causes so many in the West to have ill feelings toward Islam in general is that there are far to few Muslims who feel as you do, and who take the trouble to express disdain for the terrorists.

Far too many Muslims for my comfort level insist on Islam being a religion of peace, but then either tacitly condone the actions of Islamofascist terrorists, or out and out agree with the tactics and ideology of the terrorists.

And don't think for one second that I am a Christian apologist. I have read those verses of the Old Testament where God, Yaweh, Allah, or whomever you choose to call him called for the mass murder of entire races of people. I have read the text that instructs beleivers to kill non-beleivers, homosexuals etc. I find this morally repugnant and deplorable, and don't personally understand how anyone claiming to follow this diety could claim to be a member of a peaceful religion.

I will say, that it seems to me that, while there was a time when Christians by and large took the bible literally and carried out heinous acts that they thought were dictated to them by God, those days are generally behind us. The same cannot be said, sadly for Islam in regards to similar instructions from the Quran. The ancient and outdated methods of retribution, the treatment of women and non-Muslims written about in the Quran are still being carried out by a certain percentage of Muslims. As long as people claiming to be followers of Muhammad are cutting off the heads of infidels, circumcising their daughters and agreeing with the tactics/goals of the Osama bin Laden's of the world, then anyone with any degree of intelligence and moral fiber is going to have a problem with that.

Christianity underwent a reformation, and since then there has been very little in the way of violence against non-Christians, at least sanctioned by the Church. Hopefully there will be a day when we can say the same about Islam. Perhaps your voice is one of the ones which will carry this message forward, and for that I personally thank you.

B.

 

[mr.guy]

. I think what causes so many in the West to have ill feelings toward Islam in general is that there are far to few Muslims who feel as you do, and who take the trouble to express disdain for the terrorists.

Ya know, i get a bit distraught hearing about westerners insisting that muslims apologize for/condenm what other muslims do. I appreciate the sentiment, but i don't see why every joe muslim has to go out of his way to express his disgust with some shmoe across the globe. I don't think muslims should have to individually declare their views on terrorisim for fear of being lumped in with fundamentalists; it's bloody fascist stuff.

 

[michel]

Ya know, i get a bit distraught hearing about westerners insisting that muslims apologize for/condenm what other muslims do. I appreciate the sentiment, but i don't see why every joe muslim has to go out of his way to express his disgust with some shmoe across the globe. I don't think muslims should have to individually declare their views on terrorisim for fear of being lumped in with fundamentalists; it's bloody fascist stuff.

No one here forced our two Muslim friends to say what they feel about the present situation; they did so as a gesture of goodwill, and posssibly in an attempt to show that not all Muslims are extremists and suicide bombers.

I appreciate the sentiment, but i don't see why every joe muslim has to go out of his way to express his disgust with some shmoe across the globe.

Well, when I hear some cranky Christian spreading the 'word' of fire and brimstone, I can assure you that I think it my duty to chip in and try to tell the story from the 'right' (as I see it) angle; I think whenever any member of any group sees some faction going out of their way to twist the meaning of what they see as their tenets, that it is a natural reaction to speak up.

I don't think muslims should have to individually declare their views on terrorisim for fear of being lumped in with fundamentalists; it's bloody fascist stuff

Sorry, but what on earth are you talking about? The whole purpose of them decrying terrorism is for us not to lump them with fundementalists.......

That can only be good news for Muslims.

 

[mr.guy]

The whole purpose of them decrying terrorism is for us not to lump them with fundementalists...

I see. So the prudent should assume a muslim who's silent regarding terrorism is, in the old english legislative sense, "silently consentual"?

 

[jamaesi]

Do independent research, instead of sitting around like squealing pigs, expecting to be served. but heres something, if anyone actually cares:

I'm sorry, I would just rather hear things from the person themselves- not every website has the truth, and the websites I looked at about Jediism said they would not talk about "Grey" Jediism.

 

[jamaesi]

Sorry, but what on earth are you talking about? The whole purpose of them decrying terrorism is for us not to lump them with fundementalists.......

But a lot of people seem to believe that if I am not going on about how much I hate terrorists and that Islam doesn't say to do those things then I must obviously agree with the terrorists. I've been asked if I support Usama because someone saw me reading a Qur'an. It's insane and a double standard. People do not get asked if they "support 'dashing thy little ones against the rocks'" in an average day just because one sees them leafing through the Bible.

 

[BUDDY]

By not mentioning that Christianity is also not a religion of peace, you have not been fair to the Muslim.

Again, in the same post, you did not quote from the bible where non-believers are supposed to be killed as well. So that also did not make Christianity a religion of peace. Do you agree?

As you probably are aware, and perhaps have forgotten, Christianity bases its religious practices on the teaching of Jesus Christ and His apostles and disciples who wrote the new testament. While the old testament is for our learning, so that we may know more about the nature of God, His plan for salvation, and His view towards man, to say that we base our beliefs on the items in the Old Testament is incorrect.

Fat Kat Matt,

I think that you may be helped by doing some research into the different views of the Koran. Just as there are many different interpretations of the Bible, the same is true of the Koran. For a different perspective on what it teaches, here is a link to a muslim scholar that may help. Please pay particular attention to question number 23.
http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/index.php?&referrer

I used to kind of think as you do, and started lumping all muslim into one group of people that wanted nothing but to kill Americans, rule the world by there religion, convert or die, etc. After doing much research and traveling and meeting many muslims throughout the world, I have come to realize that muslims are no different than anyone else. There are people who have differing views of their religion, just as we christians do. And just as there is a very small portion of "christians" who make the rest of us look bad (white supremecists, homophobes, radical and racists), there is also a very small portion of muslim society that have been brainwashed to believe that there is no more holy thing than to kill non-muslims in the name of Allah. This does not make the religion or those who practice it in peace immoral, any more than I am immoral for practicing a religion that is claimed by white supremists.

Peace.

 

[greatcalgarian]

As you probably are aware, and perhaps have forgotten, Christianity bases its religious practices on the teaching of Jesus Christ and His apostles and disciples who wrote the new testament. While the old testament is for our learning, so that we may know more about the nature of God, His plan for salvation, and His view towards man, to say that we base our beliefs on the items in the Old Testament is incorrect.

No I ahve not forgotten what present day Christians claimed that since Jesus time, Christian God, is different from the OT Yahweh.

But look at the history of Christianity, from the Crusade time to 17th -18th century during the Imperial time, where Spanish, British, Portugese explorer, waving the flag of Christianity, and committing virtual racial wipe out of the North American and South American natives??? Yes they talk about Christ being the savior, any one refusing to accept Christianity is killed???

Even present day, as noted in another thread KKK is a denomination of Christianity. GWB is also a born again Christian. But are their action that of the teaching of Christ??:banghead3

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

I'm sorry, I would just rather hear things from the person themselves- not every website has the truth, and the websites I looked at about Jediism said they would not talk about "Grey" Jediism.

yeah you're right, i'm sorry for being such a a-hole all the time. I was just really tired yesterday, well, i'm always tired, but i was especially tired yesterday.

 

[Muhhamad Abdul Salam]

christianity is not a religion of peace, at all, though i do believe it has reformed itself since the Dark Ages. In the book, it clearly says you should stone disbelievers, etc. The two books both encourage murder and hate against the infidel. It isn't blameless at all.

But I don't get that by saying Christianity says this, but the U.S. does this, makes Islam any better.

No and religions shouldnt me judged by nations actions. In my oppinion Christianity & Islam are religions of peace; Christianity says "thou shalt not murder", not thou shalt not murder except for gays or etc. but thou shalt not murder...period, no exceptions. It goes even further and says 'love youre enemy" and "turn the other cheek"; I bet if Jesus were here he'd be opposing all violence including the death penalty no matter the crime. Islam basically says no violence unless in self-defense and I remember a verse saying "bloodshed is better than lawlesness". In my mind all religions are basically peaceful its just the task of concentrating on the message and not how others have broken it in their religions name.

 

[Muhhamad Abdul Salam]

Bravo kind sir. I am heartened to hear this coming from a Muslim. I think what causes so many in the West to have ill feelings toward Islam in general is that there are far to few Muslims who feel as you do, and who take the trouble to express disdain for the terrorists.

Far too many Muslims for my comfort level insist on Islam being a religion of peace, but then either tacitly condone the actions of Islamofascist terrorists, or out and out agree with the tactics and ideology of the terrorists.

And don't think for one second that I am a Christian apologist. I have read those verses of the Old Testament where God, Yaweh, Allah, or whomever you choose to call him called for the mass murder of entire races of people. I have read the text that instructs beleivers to kill non-beleivers, homosexuals etc. I find this morally repugnant and deplorable, and don't personally understand how anyone claiming to follow this diety could claim to be a member of a peaceful religion.

I will say, that it seems to me that, while there was a time when Christians by and large took the bible literally and carried out heinous acts that they thought were dictated to them by God, those days are generally behind us. The same cannot be said, sadly for Islam in regards to similar instructions from the Quran. The ancient and outdated methods of retribution, the treatment of women and non-Muslims written about in the Quran are still being carried out by a certain percentage of Muslims. As long as people claiming to be followers of Muhammad are cutting off the heads of infidels, circumcising their daughters and agreeing with the tactics/goals of the Osama bin Laden's of the world, then anyone with any degree of intelligence and moral fiber is going to have a problem with that.

Christianity underwent a reformation, and since then there has been very little in the way of violence against non-Christians, at least sanctioned by the Church. Hopefully there will be a day when we can say the same about Islam. Perhaps your voice is one of the ones which will carry this message forward, and for that I personally thank you.

B.

Thanks for the complement but as far as I can tell Islam needs no reformation because we have no hierarchy. The treatment of women, non-Muslims, and retribution are all fine and I'd say that id the West applied them it would be for better(women would dress better). As far as bin-Laden goes I'm not for him or against him. He has good ideas but his methods disgust me and I do recall him asking for a truce with the U.S.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Any explanation as to why all Islamic Governments (Taliban, Saudi Arabia, etc.) that we know of are maiming, and beheading people? I frankly cannot think of a worse fate than to be living under a Caliphate, personally. I don't think there was too much in the way of religious freedom, personal freedom, freedom for women, etc. . .

I am no fan of Christian Fundamentalism, but it seems to me in looking around the world that there is relatively little Christian Fundamentalism, while Islamic Fundamentalism seems to be more the norm than the exception. I have often said, that if depth of beleif is the measuring stick for the "trueness" of a religion, then Islam wins, hands down. However, as I am not a beleiver, my feelings toward a religion are generally tied to my perceptions of how its beleivers treat others.

I have seen in my own lifetime what an Islamic Government looks like, and it does not appeal to me. Christian Theocracies existed in a time that I can only read about, but they sounded pretty horrible and terrifying as well. The harsh treatment (as I perceive it) of Infidels, women, etc. . . I see in Islam causes me great concern, as does the ideology that Islam is intended as a system of government as well as a religious system.

To me there is nothing more terrifying than a theocracy. It is the worst form of totalitarianism, and tho I respect your opinion in regards to the treatment of women, etc. . . what I observe tells me something different, and I must respectfully disagree with you.

B.

 

[Muhhamad Abdul Salam]

Any explanation as to why all Islamic Governments (Taliban, Saudi Arabia, etc.) that we know of are maiming, and beheading people? I frankly cannot think of a worse fate than to be living under a Caliphate, personally. I don't think there was too much in the way of religious freedom, personal freedom, freedom for women, etc. . .

I am no fan of Christian Fundamentalism, but it seems to me in looking around the world that there is relatively little Christian Fundamentalism, while Islamic Fundamentalism seems to be more the norm than the exception. I have often said, that if depth of beleif is the measuring stick for the "trueness" of a religion, then Islam wins, hands down. However, as I am not a beleiver, my feelings toward a religion are generally tied to my perceptions of how its beleivers treat others.

I have seen in my own lifetime what an Islamic Government looks like, and it does not appeal to me. Christian Theocracies existed in a time that I can only read about, but they sounded pretty horrible and terrifying as well. The harsh treatment (as I perceive it) of Infidels, women, etc. . . I see in Islam causes me great concern, as does the ideology that Islam is intended as a system of government as well as a religious system.

To me there is nothing more terrifying than a theocracy. It is the worst form of totalitarianism, and tho I respect your opinion in regards to the treatment of women, etc. . . what I observe tells me something different, and I must respectfully disagree with you.

B.

The problem is that most religions, when in power and feeling that their way is infinitely right and breaking their law would be an offense against God, have always enforced their beliefs contrary to what the religion in question might be actually saying. The problem is also that such religous governments tend to concentrate one thing and overlook another, example; Saudi Arabia punishes homosexuality because the Qur'an teaches that homosexuality is forbidden but at the same time the Qur'an states that religion is not compulsary. Muslims are taught that when able they are to rule their government with the teachings of God and because of the pressure of how law is to be done the Sharia was established. The Sharia is Islamic law, as elaborated by Islamic scholarship. The Qur'an is the foremost source of Islamic jurisprudence. The second is the sunnah of Muhammad and the early Muslim community. The sunnah is not itself a text like the Qur'an, but is extracted by analysis of the hadith (Arabic for "report"), or recorded oral traditions, which contain narrations of the Muhammad's sayings, deeds, and actions. Ijma (consensus of the community of Muslims) and qiyas (analogical reasoning) are the third and fourth sources of Sharia. Islamic law covers all aspects of life, from the broad topics of governance and foreign relations all the way down to issues of daily living. Islamic laws which were covered expressly in the Qur'an were referred to as hudud laws. This covered the prohibition of murder, extra-marital sex, drinking of alcohol and gambling. The Qur'an also details laws of inheritance, marriage, restitution for injuries and murder, as well as rules for fasting, charity, and prayer. However, the prescriptions and prohibitions may be broad, so how they are applied in practice varies. Islamic scholars, the ulema, have elaborated systems of law on the basis of these broad rules, supplemented by the hadith reports of how Muhammad and his companions interpreted them. In current times, not all Muslims understand the Qur'an in its original Arabic. Thus, when Muslims are divided in how to handle situations, they seek the assistance of a mufti (Islamic judge) who can advise them based on Islamic Sharia and hadith.

 

[Ormiston]

The problem is that most religions, when in power and feeling that their way is infinitely right and breaking their law would be an offense against God, have always enforced their beliefs contrary to what the religion in question might be actually saying. The problem is also that such religous governments tend to concentrate one thing and overlook another, example; Saudi Arabia punishes homosexuality because the Qur'an teaches that homosexuality is forbidden but at the same time the Qur'an states that religion is not compulsary. Muslims are taught that when able they are to rule their government with the teachings of God and because of the pressure of how law is to be done the Sharia was established. The Sharia is Islamic law, as elaborated by Islamic scholarship. The Qur'an is the foremost source of Islamic jurisprudence. The second is the sunnah of Muhammad and the early Muslim community. The sunnah is not itself a text like the Qur'an, but is extracted by analysis of the hadith (Arabic for "report"), or recorded oral traditions, which contain narrations of the Muhammad's sayings, deeds, and actions. Ijma (consensus of the community of Muslims) and qiyas (analogical reasoning) are the third and fourth sources of Sharia. Islamic law covers all aspects of life, from the broad topics of governance and foreign relations all the way down to issues of daily living. Islamic laws which were covered expressly in the Qur'an were referred to as hudud laws. This covered the prohibition of murder, extra-marital sex, drinking of alcohol and gambling. The Qur'an also details laws of inheritance, marriage, restitution for injuries and murder, as well as rules for fasting, charity, and prayer. However, the prescriptions and prohibitions may be broad, so how they are applied in practice varies. Islamic scholars, the ulema, have elaborated systems of law on the basis of these broad rules, supplemented by the hadith reports of how Muhammad and his companions interpreted them. In current times, not all Muslims understand the Qur'an in its original Arabic. Thus, when Muslims are divided in how to handle situations, they seek the assistance of a mufti (Islamic judge) who can advise them based on Islamic Sharia and hadith.

How can laws based solely on religious belief be used to govern a country? At the very least you are going to have citizens with different religions. And, once a law is declared "given by God/Allah" it's basically permanent. What if it was a mistake or if times change, what then? Are any of these points addressed in the cited texts?

 

[Ody]

This is dangerous. This kind of thing happens again and India will attack Pakistan and China will declare war on India and Japan will declare war on China and North Korea will declare war on Japan and America will declare war on North Korea and on and on and on...

Very dangerous.

Are you so sure of japans willingness to go to war? Why would they do that with a sub-par army?

 

[mr.guy]

Are you so sure of japans willingness to go to war?

They probably wouldn't; if i'm not mistaken, their constitution forbids them from entering a war unless directly provoked (attacked).

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I ws near the explosion area when the bomb went of..

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

You bumped this topic, that no one who wasn't on RF at the time wouldn't have known about. Important topic and even more importantly started by a muslim. So why do the non-muslims here act like they've never heard a muslim initiate and decry terrorism?