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Thousand oaks shooting

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Curious George, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    That's the whole point... the regulations are in place for the law abiding citizens who don't need the regulations. Criminals or the mentally unstable aren't going to abide by the laws and regulations.
     
  2. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    2 reasons maybe:

    1. Bad music ie: (pumped up kicks, The Toadies Possom Kingdom, death metal, gangster rap, etc.)
    2. Media -highlighting continued coverage for maximum profits.
     
  3. Curious George

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    Regarding music, we can not deny that music is exceptionally motivating and mood altering. That said, I think that music presents a chicken and the egg type argument. Isn't music merely expressive of beliefs and emotions already possessed. And doesn't listening to music play feelings already possessed?
     
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    We register our car with the Licencing Authority, the DVLA, so yes, that covers 'purchase, own or possess' - in fact when you sell a car you have to submit a declaration to the DVLA too.
     
  5. Landon Caeli

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    Evil. --

    Evil --
     
  6. Landon Caeli

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    No. Musical lyrics inspire. Even subconsciously. It's undeniable.
     
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    No, it is the tunnel vision that this is the only or main reason.
    The US has the highest rate of deaths by fire arms, the US has one of the loosest laws on possession. Yet the gun lobby focus is on mental health, social issues.
    The UK has just as many mental problems/ psychological/sociological aspects in our population.
     
  8. Curious George

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    Concerning media. It is curious to me our relationship with Media. We have embraced and become addicted to this so fully that I cannot help but think of the Chinese Opiate dens. Only instead of opiates we have chosen a meth of sorts.

    Adults and children mindlessly tick away at smartphones, tavlets, computers and television in an effort to glean something novel. Their anxiety through roof, their echo chamber so complete that any form of contrary thought must face immediate ridicule until stomped into oblivion, banned, or wholly ignored.

    We see movies or read stories about a dark authoritarian government, yet the never did we imagine that we would imprison and torture ourselves by choice.
     
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  9. Landon Caeli

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    What about Czech Republic, with the most lax gun laws and least amount of gun violence. Sorry, it's not adding up, I just think it's something else.
     
  10. Father Heathen

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    I think you've misunderstood me. My point had nothing to do with gun control. Of course guns need restrictions and regulations. I'm not suggesting that we should *only* look at mental health, but it is definitely something that warrants consideration. Also, unlike a gun, a knife is a common household tool. Would you restrict the whole of society to plastic sporks, or require a citizen to contact a government assigned agent to come cut their dinner into bite-sized pieces?
     
  11. Curious George

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    This is only because the car is assumed to be purchased with intent to drive and business practice dictates such as we have established title as means of establishing ownership. You can build a car from scratch and there is no penalty for not registering it unless you drive it in public. That is to say, it is not illegal to purchase, own, or operate on vehicles on private land if those vehicles are not registered.
     
  12. Curious George

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    Certainly music inspires. But does it inspire feelings that are not already there to some degree. Can strange fruit inspire feelings when one does not already possess those feelings, could Abel Meeropol have written that poem without those feelings?
     
  13. Landon Caeli

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    Yes. And people who tend to be attracted to nefarious lyrics, such as murdering a woman behind a boathouse, or stealing your dads .22 and shooting at people, might lack some logical sense.

    ...I'm still skeptical about the glorification of it tho in modern music.
     
  14. Landon Caeli

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    Though, I'm not for restricting free speech, I just think we need some prominant people to speak out against violence. Possibly even the lyricists themselves. Could be that would help.

    ...Or else just stand up and boycott them.

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    <Edit> Some DJ's in California have already openly stood out against both of those songs, and refuse to play them on the radio. I think that's smart.
     
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    I think the kids should be listening to more positive music, to expand their mind. And trust me, you can definitely party to this music. It's very simple to do.

     
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    Without going into details, gun control here isn't that much different than in the shootings heydays. The exception is that if you want a handgun you need to have active membership in a shooting range for 2 years and be over 20. Mental health on the other hand is taken more seriously now and talked about in public.
     
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    only a couple more ?!? Really?

    Gotta love the way you think. At a glance it is over 6 times the average of other Countries.
     
  18. Jainarayan

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    That's sensible.
     
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    Don't forget Elvis. That pelvis gyrating destroyed the lives of many young people, just like pot.
     
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    I understand some people are taken aback by objectivity and rationality in the face of emotional discord.
     
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