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Thousand oaks shooting

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Curious George, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Curious George

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    You think so, I am less certain. Surely the use of guns in suicide, which account for the majority of gun deaths, would bring the gun deaths similar. But what makes you think the incidence mass killings with guns would be similar?
     
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    ......... because the UK is full of human beings, just like the US is.

    And whilst any kind of suicide is very sad and bad, why do you rush to suicide rates in some strange comparison when in conversation about gun murders? You might just as well compare gun murders with airline crash deaths.
     
  3. fantome profane

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    Which is also why Canada tends to come in second in terms of gun violence.
     
  4. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Funny when you consider that we've had weapons throughout our entire history and its this generation that chose to be psychopathic.

    I'm not against nerfing down firearms, Yet it has more to do with the persons disposition and mentality which goes far beyond the desired tool of his or her choice.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Where is Russia and China?
     
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  7. Curious George

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    Because usually people talk about gun deaths. Those include suicide. I am not rushing to that.

    Regarding humanity, I am not so sure I share your conviction that humanity inherently carries with it the will to mass murder.
     
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    But when the population is 325m (?) a small (ie 3 times+) makes a big diference as you are multiplying by 3000+
     
  9. Curious George

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    Sure. Nevertheless it is only a couple more per 100k. I am not so sure I see your point.
     
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    I think it's skewed. Not saying the quantity of available firearms is a factor, but I would also love to see the demographics of those countries alongside those statistics that bring about such "peace". Are they totalitarian regimes, socialist, or theocratic?

    Yeah you can eliminate guns and get better statistics that look good and pretty, and call it an answer to the problem, but at what cost to people's personal freedom's and rights I wonder?

    It seems hypocritical to me when countries try to take guns from the citizenry, yet as a government themselves willingly stockpile arms to the sky on the world stage.
     
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    I don't think it's any one reason. A bit of idolizing vigilantes meting out justice as they see it is baked into our culture. From our romantic idea of cowboys to superheros. And you can see it in everything from the fantasy of 'the good guy with the gun' to 'I will stop a tyrannical government with my handgun.' A bit of this particular administration promoting an environment where empathy is through the floor. A bit of paranoia fueling 'I have to do something to protect myself from [X, which usually happens to be a minority]' Where everyone is just scared of everyone else and calling that 'freedom.'
    ..And our lack of any actual effective federal, national changes towards gun regulation. Making local regulation easy to bypass. Every time we have a shooting..
    ...Well, I'll let the Thousand Oaks shooter say it:
    Ian David Long: What we know about the gunman in the Thousand Oaks bar shooting - CNN
     
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    Again, you think Americans are more psycho than other nations?

    What if???? You are correct that people are more "psycho" than previously? This should hold true for other nations beyond US, right? So, possibly the true solution is to still prevent people from obtaining guns. The data among nations that have banned guns has shown drastic improvement.

    It's just another gun debate because of another massacre. I've gone through all my rhetoric from all the previous massacres. This will be no different.

    You and other conservatives will continue to blame mental illness which is plausible but other nations have shown that is irrelevant given how they've dealt with it.
     
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    Let's say it is 2 per 100k (The comaprison with most countries is more than that) more deaths by gun.

    The population of the USA is (IIRC) about 325,000,000. - therefore by my maths that is 6,500 more people killed by guns than if your rate was down with the likes of the UK.
     
  15. Curious George

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    I think this does acknowledge many of the issues, i think ease of access to guns certainly contributes as well. But I think there might still be more.
     
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    I agree that there would be less gun homocides if gun laws were similar to other countries. I do not necessarily agree that there would be substantially less homicides.

    Generally, a person who wants to kill can find a way to kill. Certainly, there would be less murders based on the removal of more guns as guns increase the likelihood of death and decrease the effort needed to effect death.

    But how much is this? How did the uk homicide rate compare by year before and after uk gun restriction? Did gun restriction really make that much of a difference?
     
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    Edit: Scratch that, I think I may have misunderstood.
     
  18. Curious George

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    I think you are mistaken. Each murder is one count of homicide.
     
  19. Curious George

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    Yeah, it still isn't the point at which I am driving. It is simply a pro-gun/anti-gun tangent that perhaps needs addressimg before we all are discussing the meat of the topic, what is it that is spawning all these mass murderers.
     
  20. Curious George

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    Consider this:

    Broken Arrow killings - Wikipedia

    The younger brothers confession is on youtube if anyone wants to listen.

    I am not necessarily just asking about guns. Though it seems that most people want to gravitate to that debate.
     
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