...Acts 2:27...
Please notice, also that speaks about hades, not about hell. And hades is different thing than hell.
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...Acts 2:27...
But that is not what actually happens. The body dies on earth and is buried in the ground, but the soul of every human being continues on to the spiritual world, whether they believed in God and Jesus or whether they were an atheist. The soul will take on a new form in the spiritual world, one that best suits their spiritual attainment.
Heaven and hell are not geographical locations, they are states of being...
Souls that were close to God and did good works on earth will be in a state of heaven, whereas souls who were far from God, selfish souls who committed evil deeds, will be in a state of hell.
However, every soul will be able to make progress, by the mercy of God and the prayers of others, not by free will. That is why it is so important to use our free will on earth, while we still can.
“And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 155-156
I do not believe that the same man Jesus is going to ever return to earth. I believe that the Christ has already returned in the Person of Baha'u'llah who was the Comforter and the Spirit of truth Jesus spoke of in John 14, 15, and 16.You do know, When Christ Jesus returns, everyone will be changed into the spiritual body.
This is the body in which God shall destroy with the soul in the lake of fire.
This is the body in which Christ Jesus was in reference to, saying, "Fear him, who is able to destroy both the body and soul in hell.
This being the spiritual body and soul.
Nearly all Muslims, and most Christians believe in a god that eternally tortures anyone who does not follow their faith. This means that the majority of people in the world will spend an eternity being tortured in a conscious state, according to these religions. So, according to these religions, the majority of my family and friends would end up being tortured in hell forever by a being that you claim to love and worship. How could you possibly worship and claim to love a god that would do this? This "god" that you worship sounds like an inherently evil and deranged psychopath. This is why, even if I were persuaded that your god exists (which is highly unlikely, since I find its existence to be highly improbable), I would never be able to love or worship such a god. Clearly, the only reason a Christian or Muslim believing in hell would forsake all of their unbelieving loved ones and "worship" such a monster would be out of pure cowardice. You fear going to hell more than you care about your unbelieving loved ones, so you turn your back on your unbelieving loved ones to follow the cosmic Hitler. Have fun in "heaven" with the evil Almighty Sadist that you worship. Count me out.
I somewhat agree, but it is hardly the OP's fault that over a billion people claim otherwise.Kindly do not lump the Islamic Allah and the Christian God on the same page.
And likewise for Christian and Islamic Jesus.
They are not the same. And to suggest this is the case is deeply offensive.
I am sure others think Jesus did Not spend time in hell, but I find that out of harmony with gospel writer Luke.I believe Jesus did not spend even a single day in hell. He did suffer trials and tribulations, yes.
Regards
In Scripture I read that Jesus was Not a Muslim, and Jesus went to hell according to Acts of the Apostles 3:23.In the Qur'an there is a passage that says that Jews and Christians that have good actions will not be put to grief. Alongside that anyone that is not a Muslim goes to hell. .
You are Not alone as many find the Bible has No or little significance for them, otherwise they would heed the advice Jesus gives. To me, whether one finds significant or not, I still find that the good news about God's kingdom government in the hands of Christ Jesus has been proclaimed on such a vast international scale just as Jesus' recorded words said it would be done. As it is written so it is.Since I don't view the Bible as an authoritative source of information on Jesus' life or the way the world is or will be in time to come, these verses hold no significance for me.
Nearly all Muslims, and most Christians believe in a god that eternally tortures anyone who does not follow their faith. This means that the majority of people in the world will spend an eternity being tortured in a conscious state, according to these religions. So, according to these religions, the majority of my family and friends would end up being tortured in hell forever by a being that you claim to love and worship. How could you possibly worship and claim to love a god that would do this? This "god" that you worship sounds like an inherently evil and deranged psychopath. This is why, even if I were persuaded that your god exists (which is highly unlikely, since I find its existence to be highly improbable), I would never be able to love or worship such a god. Clearly, the only reason a Christian or Muslim believing in hell would forsake all of their unbelieving loved ones and "worship" such a monster would be out of pure cowardice. You fear going to hell more than you care about your unbelieving loved ones, so you turn your back on your unbelieving loved ones to follow the cosmic Hitler. Have fun in "heaven" with the evil Almighty Sadist that you worship. Count me out.
Sorry, I think that is not true, by what the Bible teaches. Jesus was in grave or hades, not in hell.
Please notice, also that speaks about hades, not about hell. And hades is different thing than hell.
I find a lot of people believe in an immortal soul, a death-proof soul, even though Scripture teaches that the soul can die and the soul can be destroyed such as found at Ezekiel 18:4,20; Acts of the Apostles 3:23; Psalms 78:50.I do not believe that the same man Jesus is going to ever return to earth. I believe that the Christ has already returned in the Person of Baha'u'llah who was the Comforter and the Spirit of truth Jesus spoke of in John 14, 15, and 16.
I do not believe that bodies will be raised from their graves and become spiritual bodies. I believe that we will get a spiritual body when our soul goes to the spiritual world. Every soul will go to the spiritual world, beleivers and nonbelievers. No soul is ever extinguished.
Very interesting observation ^ above ^ because I find it is true that false clergy ( look at the dark ages ) have often used 'their version of hell' as a 'scare tactic' in order to control the flock of God.Is Hell really an Intelligent action? Is there anyone who would say it is? If they do, isn't it just their excuse to hate?
From My experience and as I see it, Hell is a creation of mankind for the sole purpose to acquire followers with the use of fear and intimidation.
I believe Christians have misconstrued the Bible, and the end result is a distortion of the truth about the return of Christ, the soul and the afterlife, among other things.I find a lot of people believe in an immortal soul, a death-proof soul, even though Scripture teaches that the soul can die and the soul can be destroyed such as found at Ezekiel 18:4,20; Acts of the Apostles 3:23; Psalms 78:50.
I also find the executional words from Jesus' mouth as found at Isaiah 11:3-4 and Revelation 19:14-16 shows Jesus will rid the Earth of the wicked - Proverbs 2:21-22, thus the humble meek people will inherit the Earth and will have happy-and-healthy physical bodies being of sound heart and mind.
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth for the healing of earth's nations as promised at Revelation 22:2. That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation found at Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the benefits of ' healing ' to earth's nations.
I believe Christians have misconstrued the Bible, and the end result is a distortion of the truth about the return of Christ, the soul and the afterlife, among other things.
Christians seem to believe that they know what certain verses in the Bible mean; but as I tell them, it is logically impossible that all of these Christians are right, because Christians disagree about what the Bible means. So who is right?
There are several possibilities: (1) one Christian is right and everyone else who disagrees with him is wrong, or (2) one Christian is wrong and someone else is right, or (3) there is more than one meaning to many scriptures so they all have part of the truth, but nobody has all of the truth.
How can anyone say the meaning they assign is correct and the other meanings others assign are wrong? Why do people think they are uniquely qualified to interpret the Bible? Even the early Christians did not understand the nature of Jesus, which is why they had to hold councils to decide upon the doctrines of the Church. There are too many different interpretations so nobody can say that only theirs is correct, logically speaking, because they cannot prove that it is correct. As such, it is just their personal opinion that they are right and others are wrong.
I can agree with that. That is what I meant to say, church traditions or church customs superseded Scripture.Wow, an inquiring mind wants to know.
Early Christians would be the first-century Christians. After that developed Christendom ( so-called Christian )
So, it is Not Christians, but Christendom that teaches the distortions.
To me, afterlife just means the life that comes after this mortal life, the life of the soul after the body dies.Christendom (Not Scripture) distorts soul and afterlife ( Jesus taught resurrection, and did Not teach afterlife )
Afterlife indicates being more alive at death than before death.
Since the soul is Not death proof / immortal then the soul can die as per Ezekiel 18:4,20; Psalms 78:50.
The soul can be destroyed according to Luke at Acts of the Apostles 3:23.
I can agree with that. That is what I meant to say, church traditions or church customs superseded Scripture.
To me, afterlife just means the life that comes after this mortal life, the life of the soul after the body dies.
I do not believe that Jesus taught resurrection of the body. When death or destruction of the soul is referred to in the Scriptures it means lack of attainment of eternal life, so in that sense the soul is lost or destroyed, but it is not literally lost or destroyed; it still exists but it is not close to God.
Eternal life refers to a quality of life, being close to God, it does not mean living forever. I believe that all souls continue to exist forever in the spiritual world where they go after we die, but only souls that are close to God have eternal life.
I believe that all these verses refer to eternal life of the soul, not life of the physical body. In my beliefs, the words soul and spirit can be used interchangeably.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Jesus makes it very clear that the physical body is not important, only spiritual life is important.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
In Scripture I read that Jesus was Not a Muslim, and Jesus went to hell according to Acts of the Apostles 3:23.
Since Jesus taught ' sleep in death ' (John 11:11-14) then while in ' biblical hell ' Jesus was in a sleeping state.
In other words, biblical hell is just mankind temporary grave until resurrected out of hell.
Nice post, @URAVIP2ME !! Matthew 25:31-40 tells us about three groups.... We have the goats which don't have Jesus' blessing; we have the sheep, which do; but we read also of another group Jesus mentions....his brothers!Have you ever considered how much time dead Jesus spent in hell _______ Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Since the wicked (Psalms 92:7) are to be ' destroyed forever ' then there can't be any eternal torture but annihilation.
I find there is more than one 'Day of Judgement ' coming.
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The figurative humble ' sheep ' are given a favorable judgement as being the righteous ones at Matthew 25:37.
The figurative haughty ' goats ' are given an adverse judgement, and are like the wicked of Psalms 92:7.
Then, Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth is also a coming ' Day of Judgement ' when resurrected ones ( most of whom never even heard of Jesus ) will have the opportunity to learn abut Jesus' ransom (Matthew 20:28) and choose whether to follow Jesus at that millennial time frame.
Get 'em!!Nearly all Muslims, and most Christians believe in a god that eternally tortures anyone who does not follow their faith. This means that the majority of people in the world will spend an eternity being tortured in a conscious state, according to these religions. So, according to these religions, the majority of my family and friends would end up being tortured in hell forever by a being that you claim to love and worship. How could you possibly worship and claim to love a god that would do this? This "god" that you worship sounds like an inherently evil and deranged psychopath. This is why, even if I were persuaded that your god exists (which is highly unlikely, since I find its existence to be highly improbable), I would never be able to love or worship such a god. Clearly, the only reason a Christian or Muslim believing in hell would forsake all of their unbelieving loved ones and "worship" such a monster would be out of pure cowardice. You fear going to hell more than you care about your unbelieving loved ones, so you turn your back on your unbelieving loved ones to follow the cosmic Hitler. Have fun in "heaven" with the evil Almighty Sadist that you worship. Count me out.