Those who believe there is no God live by faith

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not at all I responded to it appropriately. That it seems went over your head. That is why you only part quoted what I said. Read the rest of my post. When I said that I do not know of anyone that believes in pixies or have made a religion out of pixies, I said this for a reason which it seems you missed.. So your example here is not relavant when comparing billions of people that claim God has revealed himself to them personally. If your talking about an isolated case you have to wonder if there is any truth in it. When your talking billions or people throughout time all world-wide all believing the same thing you have collective witnesses of truth that begs investigation IMO. Further you claim is that you do not believe in God yet here you are not able to prove that God does not exist or can you prove there is no God. You simply have no evidence for your view therefore you live by faith just as those who believe there is a God. Without definitive evidence you view is no different to anyone elses except it is in the opposite direction.



Sure it does, that is the part that went over your head I guess. When your talking billions or people throughout time all world-wide instead of one witness all believing the same thing you have collective witnesses of truth that begs investigation.



Plenty of believers is a very subjective term IMO. How much is plenty of believers? 10-100? Is this figure from all time or collective? Where are they found etc? How does this compare to 1/3 of the worlds population claiming that God has revealed himself to them in a single generation collectivelty all over the world? It doesn't. Now back to your example. I personally believe that out of the billions of planets in the galaxy we would have to be pretty niave to think we are the only planet that has life on it. Wheather these people have had an experience with aliens or not I do not know. I believe they believe their experience. If I am being honest with myself I do not know what experience they had one way or another. That would be my position as I have no evidence to prove them to be wrong.



Just a few points here. If you do not believe them why do you not believe them? If there are billions and billions of planets out there and our world has life on it why would you think so many other planets or which we are only one do not have any life on them. Just the fact that our world has life is evidence in and of it self that there is the possibility that perhaps other worlds have life on them. Can you prove that these people did not have an experience and if so how? My position as stated earlier is that I cannot prove they did not have their experience I simply do not know. If your making the claims that you do not believe someones experience is true is the burden of proof now on you to prove they did not?



Well it is a claim. You claimed in an earlier post you do not believe there is a God and you do not believe in the existence of God. It is your belief and you are entitled to your veiw. I do not beleive your view but I respect you are entitled to your opinion even if you cannot prove it.



Well of course I would disagree here. As a Christian, I believe I have had an experience with God and believe God has revealed himself to me personally through prayer and an finding him through his Word. This is my experience. Though I cannot prove my experience to you I can freely tell you about it as can 1/3 of the current worlds population and people from the beginning of time. I have no definitive evidence to prove that there is a God or the existence of God but I know he is real and maybe if I took a lie detector test it would show I am telling the truth like your alien friends. Now I accept that for some things I believe I live by faith as I do not have definitive evidence to show you God but I am at peace with my belief as you cannot disprove my own personal experience thay I know I have had. At the same time you believe that there is no God and you believe that God does not exist yet you have no evidence to prove that my experience with God is not real like you have no proof that there is no God and God does not exist. So you my friend wheather you agree or not because you have no evidence for your belief or lack of believe are simply living by faith in your view about God. If you believe there is no God and your trying to tell me there is no God then the buden of proof is on you to provide your evidence for which you simply have none.



Here we will agree to disagree. You simply shared your opinions for which you have no evidence that there is no God or that God does not exist. It is your opinion of what you believe for which you have no evidence therefore you also live by faith but in the opposite direction of those who believe in God.

Thanks for sharing your view though TM. I enjoy talking to you

You're just repeating the same nonsense that has already been addressed.

As I said, I don't know how to explain it any differently.

You don't understand the burden of proof.
You don't understand the difference between believing a claim and not believing a claim.
You don't understand the difference between not believing a claim, and making an opposite claim.

I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[3rdAngel]

Nonsense. He doesnt have faith that he doesn't believe he knows full well he doesmt

Nonsense. If you someone does not believe there is a God or in the existence of God it is a belief that one does not believe in God or the existence of God. I suggest you take some time to think it through.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Indeed that is their belief and for that belief they have no evidence to prove what they believe so their belief is based on faith.

The object of the verb to believe

Indeed that is their belief and for that belief they have no evidence to prove what they believe so their belief is based on faith.

The fact he knows for sure is the non belief not the existence

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If you claim you do not believe in God

That's not a claim. It's a position on a claim.

The claim is "god exists". My position on that claim is "i don't believe it".
And my justification for not believing it, is because the claimant has not met his burden of proof.

Claims without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

or that God does not exist

That is indeed a claim.
I don't make that claim.

that is your belief that there is no God and that God does not exist

I asked you before if you understood the difference between "I don't believe X exists" and "I believe X does not exist". You said you did. The above quote, again, demonstrates that you don't.

The claim is "god exists".
I don't believe said claim.

That's it.

You can either deal with that or continue to make stuff up and argue strawmen.

The examples you provided above are devoid of context

They are analogies to illustrate your logical mistake.

The points being made apparantly went straight over your head again.

Not believing the claim "god exists", is not a belief. It's a response to the claim "god exists".

Just like not playing football, is not a sport.

Perhaps you need to think things through before posting.

Perhaps you need to start thinking, full stop.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Nonsense. If you someone does not believe there is a God or in the existence of God it is a belief that one does not believe in God or the existence of God. I suggest you take some time to think it through.

You are confusing his knowledge that he doesnt be live something with his belief that his non belief is in fact true
Two entirely different things

 

[3rdAngel]

I'm telling you what my, and most other atheist's, position actually is.

You can either accept that, or pretend to know better then ourselves what it is that we believe (or don't believe).

Personally, I'm not arrogant enough to know better then someone else what goes on inside their heads.

Atheism is not something you "believe in".

Atheism is just the label used for someone that is not a theist.
There are no claims in atheism, so there's nothing there to "believe".

Theism is the claim.
Atheism is simply when you don't believe the claim of theism.

Exactly.
So, not a belief.
Not believing, is not a belief. It is the opposite.

Hi TM, nice to see you. I have already posted on this elsewhere. I am only going on all the definition of atheism I have already provided links to in this thread. I do not know the percentages of people that are within the spectrum of beliefs within atheism and I suspect you do not know that either to claim that is the view of most athiests. I have met many here in this forum and the spectrum provided even in this thread suggests to me that most simply do not believe in God or the existence of God. Anyhow that is my view unless you have any compelling evidence to suggest otherwise. At the moment I have seen none to support your claims here but I respect your right to your view and appreciate you sharing what you believe.

 

[3rdAngel]

You are confusing his knowledge that he doesnt be live something with his belief that his non belief is in fact true
Two entirely different things

Sorry AyJay I am not really sure what you are talking about. Go look up the definitions of atheism. Many are provided linked here if your interested.

 

[Ayjaydee]

That's not a claim. It's a position on a claim.

The claim is "god exists". My position on that claim is "i don't believe it".
And my justification for not believing it, is because the claimant has not met his burden of proof.

Claims without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.




That is indeed a claim.
I don't make that claim.



I asked you before if you understood the difference between "I don't believe X exists" and "I believe X does not exist". You said you did. The above quote, again, demonstrates that you don't.

The claim is "god exists".
I don't believe said claim.

That's it.

You can either deal with that or continue to make stuff up and argue strawmen.




They are analogies to illustrate your logical mistake.

The points being made apparantly went straight over your head again.

Not believing the claim "god exists", is not a belief. It's a response to the claim "god exists".

Just like not playing football, is not a sport.



Perhaps you need to start thinking, full stop.

The claim is not whether he exists, the claim is I dont believe he does and that is true
It may turn out I'm wrong but that's none of your concern as I'm not trying to convince you of non existence

 

[3rdAngel]

You're just repeating the same nonsense that has already been addressed.

As I said, I don't know how to explain it any differently.

You don't understand the burden of proof.
You don't understand the difference between believing a claim and not believing a claim.
You don't understand the difference between not believing a claim, and making an opposite claim.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Not really TM you have not addressed anything shared with you in the post you are quoting from. Your just repeating yourself without addressing what I have written to you to show why I disagree with what you have posted

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nonsense

Nope and I just illustrated it again in my previous post, when you pretended that "not believing the claim that god exists", is the equivalent of claiming "god does not exist".

It is not. No matter how much you insist that it is.

I simply do not agree with you and have shown why.

You have shown nothing but showing that you don't understand the concept of the burden of proof or how saying "I don't believe X is true" is NOT the same as saying "I believe X is false".


Let's have another analogy (courtesy of Matt Dilahunty) that you can dismiss with a handwave....

Let's say there is a giant gumball machine with a bunch of gumballs in it. Nobody knows how many gumballs are in there. Now, the amount of gumballs is either even or odd. It has to be one of both, correct?

Someone makes the claim "there are an even amount of gumballs in the machine"
I reply with "I don't accept your claim as true". Meaning, I have no rational reason to commit to the idea that there is an even amount in it, because I have no way of assessing that. So I don't accept the claim as a true-ism.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WOULD ACCPEPT THE CLAIM THAT THERE ARE AN ODD AMOUNT OF GUMBALLS IN THE MACHINE.

Which is what you are claiming....
You are saying that if I don't believe the claim that god exists, it must mean that I believe god does not exist. That is simply not the case.

Just like not believing the claim that there are an even amount of gumballs, does not mean that I believe there is an odd amount of gumballs.

So I ask again...
Do you understand now that saying "I don't believe X is true" is NOT the same as saying "I believe X is false"?

Seems you do not like it. Then again I guess you have your faith and I have mine

I have no use for faith. And I certainly do not require it to not accept a claim that hasn't met its burden of proof.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Hi TM, nice to see you. I have already posted on this elsewhere. I am only going on all the definition of atheism I have already provided links to in this thread. I do not know the percentages of people that are within the spectrum of beliefs within atheism and I suspect you do not know that either to claim that is the view of most athiests. I have met many here in this forum and the spectrum provided even in this thread suggests to me that most simply do not believe in God or the existence of God. Anyhow that is my view unless you have any compelling evidence to suggest otherwise. At the moment I have seen none to support your claims here but I respect your right to your view and appreciate you sharing what you believe.

Bu in

Sorry AyJay I am not really sure what you are talking about. Go look up the definitions of atheism. Many are provided linked here if your interested.

The fact
that you dont understand what I'm saying and its relation to SOME one or part of one definition is not my problem

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To me, faith is a belief that does not have definitive evidence for that belief.

Exactly.

And we are telling you that that is irrational.
Why would you believe anything without sufficient evidence?

This is why I said that faith is gullibility.
When you believe things without sufficient evidence, you are being gullible.

Faith is not a pathway to truth.
I don't believe claims that require faith to be believed.

There is also the biblical definition that christians live by as well in Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Exactly. Gullibility. To believe because "it feels good", because "it sounds nice" (=hoped for), and all that without evidence.

Faith is good if it is based on truth and bad if it is not.

If there is no evidence, then there is no way to determine if it is based on truth.
So really, faith is always bad, since, by your very own acknowledgement earlier in this post, faith is never based on evidence as it is what you need to accept a claim when you have no evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The core belief of athiesm is disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Disbelief is not a belief, by definition.
It is exactly the opposite: and absence of belief.

You're not making any sense at all.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nonsense. If you someone does not believe there is a God or in the existence of God it is a belief that one does not believe in God or the existence of God

"If someone does not play football, he is practicing the sport of not playing football"

. I suggest you take some time to think it through.

Right back at ya.

 

[3rdAngel]

That's not a claim. It's a position on a claim.

Whatever way you want to say it. Your still saying you do not believe in God or in the existence of God. That is what you believe.

The claim is "god exists". My position on that claim is "i don't believe it". And my justification for not believing it, is because the claimant has not met his burden of proof.

Indeed your belief is that God does not exist. You do not believe God exists. Now if you believe there is no God or that God does not exist and you cannot prove your claims that God does not exist you now also have a burden of proof to prove your claims if that is what your putting forth to others.

Claims without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

That is the point you have no evidence that there is no God your opinion therefore according to you can be dismissed without evidence as you cannot prove there is no God.

I asked you before if you understood the difference between "I don't believe X exists" and "I believe X does not exist". You said you did. The above quote, again, demonstrates that you don't. The claim is "god exists". I don't believe said claim.
That's it. You can either deal with that or continue to make stuff up and argue strawmen.
They are analogies to illustrate your logical mistake. The points being made apparantly went straight over your head again. Not believing the claim "god exists", is not a belief. It's a response to the claim "god exists". Just like not playing football, is not a sport. Perhaps you need to start thinking, full stop.

I think your the one that needs to consider carefully what others are sharing with you before posting. All I see here from you is you repeating things you have said in the past without responding to the content of the posts that address your claims here. So your only being dismissive without showing why and simply repeating yourself. That is ok. I do not believe what you have posted and you of course are free to have your view which I do not believe as you have not proven anything you have claimed here. So for now I guess you have your faith and I have mine and we will have to agree to disagree

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am only going on all the definition of atheism I have already provided links to in this thread.

As I said, if you wish to learn about our positions on the claims of theism, you should ask us and then accept what we say, instead of pretending that you know better.

As said in the post you reply to, I've told you what my position is.

You an either deal with my actual position, or you can continue to play semantic games and argue strawmen.

It's upto you. If you actually wish to learn what our position is about, then accept what we say and then we can discuss our actual position.

If on the other hand you insist on trying to tell us what our position is, as if you know better, then just say so right now and then we can stop the conversation, because then this nonsense of "yes it is , no it isn't , yes it is, no it isn't ,..." is just going to continue indefinatly. And obviously that's just a waste of valuable time.

So what will it be? Are you ready to have an honest discussion, or are you going to continue to argue semantic strawmen?

Anyhow that is my view unless you have any compelling evidence to suggest otherwise.[

My compelling evidence of what my stance and position actually is, is me telling you what it is.

At the moment I have seen none to support your claims

I haven't made any claims.
I have only shared my stance on the claims of theism.

but I respect your right to your view and appreciate you sharing what you believe.

It doesn't sound like it, as you do nothing but pretend as if you know better then me what my views are.

Don't you see how utterly and reprehensible dishonest that is?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Your just repeating yourself without addressing what I have written to you to show why I disagree with what you have posted

I repeat myself because you keep making the same mistake.

When I tell you what my position is, the honest thing to do is to accept it, instead of trying to argue it.

To repeat once more:

Theism claims a god exists.
This claim has a burden of proof.
The burden of proof has not been met (as per your own acknowledgement since it requires "faith" to be believed).

As a result, I don't accept the claim as true, due to no sufficient evidence.
So I don't believe the claim "god exists"
That makes me an atheist.

I don't require "evidence" for that position. I don't require "faith" for that position.
Believing the claim is what requires faith. I don't have faith. So I don't believe the claim that requires faith.


There's nothing more to it. Deal with it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your response...



What I read from your post was that you believe that bearing false witness does not necessarily mean lying that is why I was asking you for clarity in relation to the ninth commandment and lying. If I wanted to make it something else I would not ask you for clarity. I never ignnored it I missed your earlier post there is a difference. It may be earlier I think to deal with the content of your last post but I will add it here now..



Ok this is what I get from your post. You claim that bearing false witness is any message about your neighbore that is a false message regardless of intention, mistake or no mistake. According to the scriptures this is absolutely false. This was why I asked you earlier do you know what bearing false witness means. The Hebrew words have different meaning to the english and have a wider meaning. Let's look at them in the 9th Commandment in the next post now that we know what your definition and claims are in relation to bearing false witness.....

To be continued ...

Why is it "absolutely false"? Why post so much garbage? You could have done it in one shot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

BEARING FALSE WITNESS 9th COMMANDMENT - WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

EXODUS 20:16, You shall not BEAR FALSE (שׁקר) WITNESS against your neighbor.

The Hebrew word used here for false H8267 שׁקר; šā·qer. The Hebrew word meaning of שׁקר; šā·qer
means, without a cause, deceitful, falsehood feignedly, liar, lie, lying, vain thing, wrongfully; From shaqar; an untruth; by implication, a sham (often adverbial) -- without a cause, deceit(-ful), false(-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.

The Hebrew meaning implied here is to bear false witness by intention to deceive and lie.

Let's look at other uses of the Hebrew word שׁקר; šā·qer within the scriptures to see how it is applied in other parts of the bible and it's application. How else is it used?

Englishman's Concordance

šā·qer — 35 Occurrences

Exodus 5:9
HEB: יִשְׁע֖וּ בְּדִבְרֵי־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: no attention to FALSE words.
KJV: therein; and let them not regard vain words.
INT: will pay words to false

Leviticus 6:3
HEB: וְנִשְׁבַּ֣ע עַל־ שָׁ֑קֶר עַל־ אַחַ֗ת
NAS: about it and sworn falsely, so that he sins
KJV: concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any
INT: and sworn regard falsely regard to any

Job 13:4
HEB: אַתֶּ֥ם טֹֽפְלֵי־ שָׁ֑קֶר רֹפְאֵ֖י אֱלִ֣ל
NAS: But you smear with lies; You are all
KJV: ye [are] forgers of lies, ye [are] all physicians
INT: you smear lies physicians worthless

Psalm 7:14
HEB: עָ֝מָ֗ל וְיָ֣לַד שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: mischief and brings forth falsehood.
KJV: mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
INT: mischief and brings falsehood

Psalm 31:18
HEB: תֵּ֥אָלַ֗מְנָה שִׂפְתֵ֫י שָׁ֥קֶר הַדֹּבְר֖וֹת עַל־
NAS: Let the lying lips be mute,
KJV: Let the lying lips be put to silence;
INT: be mute lips the lying speak against

Psalm 38:19
HEB: וְרַבּ֖וּ שֹׂנְאַ֣י שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: are those who hate me wrongfully.
KJV: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied.
INT: and many hate wrongfully

Psalm 63:11
HEB: פִּ֣י דֽוֹבְרֵי־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: of those who speak lies will be stopped.
KJV: of them that speak lies shall be stopped.
INT: the mouths speak lies

Psalm 109:2
HEB: אִ֝תִּ֗י לְשׁ֣וֹן שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: against me with a lying tongue.
KJV: against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
INT: against tongue A lying

Psalm 119:104
HEB: כָּל־ אֹ֬רַח שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: I hate every false way. Nun.
KJV: therefore I hate every false way.
INT: every way false.

Psalm 144:8
HEB: וִֽ֝ימִינָ֗ם יְמִ֣ין שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: hand is a right hand of falsehood.
KJV: [is] a right hand of falsehood.
INT: right hand of falsehood

Psalm 144:11
HEB: וִֽ֝ימִינָ֗ם יְמִ֣ין שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: hand is a right hand of falsehood.
KJV: [is] a right hand of falsehood:
INT: right hand of falsehood

Proverbs 6:17
HEB: רָ֭מוֹת לְשׁ֣וֹן שָׁ֑קֶר וְ֝יָדַ֗יִם שֹׁפְכ֥וֹת
NAS: eyes, a lying tongue,
KJV: look, a lying tongue,
INT: Haughty tongue A lying and hands shed

Proverbs 6:19
HEB: כְּ֭זָבִים עֵ֣ד שָׁ֑קֶר וּמְשַׁלֵּ֥חַ מְ֝דָנִ֗ים
NAS: A false witness [who] utters
KJV: A false witness [that] speaketh
INT: lies witness A false spreads strife

Proverbs 10:18
HEB: שִׂ֭נְאָה שִׂפְתֵי־ שָׁ֑קֶר וּמוֹצִ֥א דִ֝בָּ֗ה
NAS: hatred [has] lying lips,
KJV: hatred [with] lying lips,
INT: hatred lips lying spreads slander

Proverbs 11:18
HEB: עֹשֶׂ֥ה פְעֻלַּת־ שָׁ֑קֶר וְזֹרֵ֥עַ צְ֝דָקָ֗ה
NAS: earns deceptive wages,
KJV: worketh a deceitful work:
INT: earns work deceptive sows righteousness

Proverbs 12:19
HEB: אַ֝רְגִּ֗יעָה לְשׁ֣וֹן שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: forever, But a lying tongue
KJV: for ever: but a lying tongue
INT: instant tongue A lying

Proverbs 12:22
HEB: יְ֭הוָה שִׂפְתֵי־ שָׁ֑קֶר וְעֹשֵׂ֖י אֱמוּנָ֣ה
NAS: Lying lips are an abomination
KJV: Lying lips [are] abomination
INT: to the LORD lips Lying deal faithfully

Proverbs 14:5
HEB: כְּ֝זָבִ֗ים עֵ֣ד שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: will not lie, But a false witness
KJV: will not lie: but a false witness
INT: lies witness A false

Proverbs 17:7
HEB: לְנָדִ֥יב שְׂפַת־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: Much less are lying lips to a prince.
KJV: not a fool: much less do lying lips
INT: to a prince lips are lying

Proverbs 20:17
HEB: לָ֭אִישׁ לֶ֣חֶם שָׁ֑קֶר וְ֝אַחַ֗ר יִמָּֽלֵא־
NAS: Bread obtained by falsehood is sweet
KJV: Bread of deceit [is] sweet to a man;
INT: to a man Bread falsehood afterward will be filled

Proverbs 21:6
HEB: א֭וֹצָרוֹת בִּלְשׁ֣וֹן שָׁ֑קֶר הֶ֥בֶל נִ֝דָּ֗ף
NAS: of treasures by a lying tongue
KJV: of treasures by a lying tongue
INT: of treasures tongue A lying vapor fleeting

Proverbs 25:14
HEB: מִ֝תְהַלֵּ֗ל בְּמַתַּת־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: who boasts of his gifts falsely.
KJV: boasteth himself of a false gift
INT: boasts of his gifts falsely

Proverbs 25:18
HEB: בְ֝רֵעֵ֗הוּ עֵ֣ד שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: who bears false witness
KJV: that beareth false witness
INT: his neighbor witness false.

Proverbs 29:12
HEB: עַל־ דְּבַר־ שָׁ֑קֶר כָּֽל־ מְשָׁרְתָ֥יו
NAS: pays attention to falsehood, All
INT: and act to falsehood All his ministers

Isaiah 57:4
HEB: פֶ֖שַׁע זֶ֥רַע שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: of rebellion, Offspring of deceit,
KJV: of transgression, a seed of falsehood,
INT: of rebellion Offspring of deceit

Isaiah 59:13
HEB: מִלֵּ֖ב דִּבְרֵי־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: from the heart lying words.
KJV: from the heart words of falsehood.
INT: the heart words lying

Jeremiah 6:13
HEB: כֻּלּ֖וֹ עֹ֥שֶׂה שָּֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: Everyone deals falsely.
KJV: every one dealeth falsely.
INT: Everyone deals falsely

Jeremiah 8:10
HEB: כֻּלֹּ֖ה עֹ֥שֶׂה שָּֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: Everyone practices deceit.
KJV: every one dealeth falsely.
INT: Everyone practices deceit

Jeremiah 28:15
HEB: הַזֶּ֖ה עַל־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: people trust in a lie.
KJV: to trust in a lie.
INT: this in A lie

Jeremiah 29:21
HEB: לָכֶ֛ם בִּשְׁמִ֖י שָׁ֑קֶר הִנְנִ֣י ׀ נֹתֵ֣ן
NAS: who are prophesying to you falsely in My name,
KJV: which prophesy a lie unto you in my name;
INT: are prophesying my name falsely behold will deliver

Jeremiah 29:31
HEB: אֶתְכֶ֖ם עַל־ שָֽׁקֶר׃
NAS: him, and he has made you trust in a lie,
KJV: him not, and he caused you to trust in a lie:
INT: trust in A lie

Hosea 7:1
HEB: כִּ֥י פָעֲל֖וּ שָׁ֑קֶר וְגַנָּ֣ב יָב֔וֹא
NAS: For they deal falsely; The thief
KJV: for they commit falsehood; and the thief
INT: for deal falsely the thief enters

Micah 6:12
HEB: וְיֹשְׁבֶ֖יהָ דִּבְּרוּ־ שָׁ֑קֶר וּלְשׁוֹנָ֖ם רְמִיָּ֥ה
NAS: speak lies, And their tongue
KJV: thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue
INT: her residents speak lies and their tongue is deceitful

Habakkuk 2:18
HEB: מַסֵּכָ֖ה וּמ֣וֹרֶה שָּׁ֑קֶר כִּ֣י בָטַ֞ח
NAS: a teacher of falsehood? For [its] maker
KJV: and a teacher of lies, that the maker
INT: it an image A teacher of lies when trusts

As can be shown above the Hebrew word for false שָׁ֑קֶר mean intention to deceive or lie. It is used interchagable between translations to falsehood; falsely; deceive; lie and lying (intention)

Where you seem to be confused is here. A "MISTAKE" is NOT A LIE or intention to decieve. It is a mistake and does not break God's 9th commandment as it has no intention to deceive. If someone makes a mistake like in your example than that is what it is. It is not a lie. It is a falsehood in the english definition of the word but the Hebrew definition is more defined to intention to deceive.

Obviously a falsehood is a falsehood and if someone in error finds out that they made a mistake they need to acknowledge and own up to it and see it for what it is but until they do see their mistake that is all it is. You are were not correct in your interpretation of the scriptures again.

Hope this was helpful

I see that your inability to understand the written word is still strong. No matter how many times you repeat the same thing over and over again it does not help you. You ignored the fact that there were several definitions and chose only one. That is cherry picking an improper debating technique.
I also see that many times you highlighted the word "falsehood". You did tell falsehoods. Let me explain your error a little more. Lying is telling a falsehood with an intent to deceive. I never said that you had the intent.

 

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Nonsense! If you claim you do not believe in God or that God does not exist that is your belief that there is no God and that God does not exist. The examples you provided above are devoid of context to subject matter and non sequitur to the post you are repsonding to. Perhaps you need to think things through before posting.

Nope, this is incorrect. Your reasoning appears to be only in the extremes. You are constantly forming black and white fallacies.

You need to learn the difference between lacking a belief and believing in nonexistence.