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Those who believe that Yahweh is the only personal name of God do not share my God belief.

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  1. Desert Snake

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    My God has more than one name. One of those names is God. The name God, is also used as a title.

    The Christian Bible uses the name God as a name and a title.

    The use of God as a name shows a syncretic basis of understanding names and titles.

    It is taught , by some, that Yahweh, is the only personal name of God. I disagree, and by inference, do not share the same God belief, as those who teach that.

    Those who teach that Yahweh is the only personal name of God, should theoretically also be revisising their Scripture, because God is used many times in the Christian Bible, as a personal name inference, only. Ie not in a title usage.


    Why this matters. This is important, because not only is the idea that Yahweh is the only personal name for God linguistically incorrect, it redefines and changes God's, name/s/, and character.



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    Thread note: JHVH is commonly translated to 'Lord', in English Bibles.
     
  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Find that Yah (H3050) is also Lord, like in Psalms 150:1 David used Praise El (God), and Praise Yah (Lord)...

    Hebrew names have El or Yah at the end, like God and Lord...

    Can't understand why someone would add someone's name to the end of a name, as it would get very confusing.

    Thus YHVH means 'Lord To Be', and the people who've claimed it was only a name, can't read religious texts properly...

    As in almost every religious texts i've looked at around the world, they all use descriptors for divine beings, every name is metaphoric symbolism.

    Thus just like the Canaanites who made names of God into different deities, many people today are polytheists, when they think different names make separate beings.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  4. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Actually, I believe that God is known as Elohim. And for those who want to tell me that Elohim is not a name but a plural noun meaning "gods," I'll bite. I do not believe that Elohim is the same individual as YHVH, Yahweh or Jehovah. I believe that the individual known as the Jehovah of the Old Testament is one and the same as the individual known as Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
     
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    Thanks for explaining your belief.
     
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  6. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I think that, whoever translated the Jewish Bible into Greek, to form the so called Septuagint, used arbitrary terms...so the result was certainly a bit confusing. I don't understand why they censored the name YHWH...because:

    Elohim is translated as o Theòs
    YHWH is translated as o Kyrios
    El Elyon = o Theòs o Ypsistos (right translation)
    El Shaddai = Theòs o Pantokrator (wrong translation)
     
  7. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    El is God singular, and El Elyon is the God Most High or El Shaddai is God Almighty.

    When Sara and Abram were blessed by God, the letter 'h' was added to their names.

    Eloh is thus something manifest by God, and Elohim is a plural of something manifest by God (El).

    The scriptures repeatedly call YHVH an Elohim, and say that Yeshua is an Elohim in Psalms 98:3 and Isaiah 52:10.
    H3444 + H1961 = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah
    H3444 + H7200 = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

    These say that YHVH shall become Yeshua, and we shall physically see the Salvation of our Lord.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  8. paarsurrey

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    G-d has spoken to messengers/prophets of all religions and given His name in their languages they speak so that they could understand Him easily. The name should be a good name/attribute of Him.

    I give the etymology of the word "God":
    god (n.)

    Old English god "supreme being, deity; the Christian God; image of a god; godlike person," from Proto-Germanic *guthan (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Dutch god, Old High German got, German Gott, Old Norse guð, Gothic guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (source also of Old Church Slavonic zovo "to call," Sanskrit huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke."

    But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Greek khein "to pour," also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound; see found (v.2)). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. See also Zeus. In either case, not related to good.

    Popular etymology has long derived God from good; but a comparison of the forms ... shows this to be an error. Moreover, the notion of goodness is not conspicuous in the heathen conception of deity, and in good itself the ethical sense is comparatively late. [Century Dictionary, 1902]

    Originally a neuter noun in Germanic, the gender shifted to masculine after the coming of Christianity. Old English god probably was closer in sense to Latin numen. A better word to translate deus might have been Proto-Germanic *ansuz, but this was used only of the highest deities in the Germanic religion, and not of foreign gods, and it was never used of the Christian God. It survives in English mainly in the personal names beginning in Os-.

    I want my lawyer, my tailor, my servants, even my wife to believe in God, because it means that I shall be cheated and robbed and cuckolded less often. ... If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. [Voltaire]

    God bless you after someone sneezes is credited to St. Gregory the Great, but the pagan Romans (Absit omen) and Greeks had similar customs. God's gift to _____ is by 1938. God of the gaps means "God considered solely as an explanation for anything not otherwise explained by science;" the exact phrase is from 1949, but the words and the idea have been around since 1894. God-forbids was rhyming slang for kids ("children"). God squad "evangelical organization" is 1969 U.S. student slang. God's acre"burial ground" imitates or partially translates German Gottesacker, where the second element means "field;" the phrase dates to 1610s in English but was noted as a Germanism as late as Longfellow.

    How poore, how narrow, how impious a measure of God, is this, that he must doe, as thou wouldest doe, if thou wert God. [John Donne, sermon preached in St. Paul's Jan. 30, 1624/5]
    god | Origin and meaning of god by Online Etymology Dictionary

    Regards
     
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    I believe that that misses, probably the main inference, and that is that the name God is basically from another name, that is considered the 'same God', or a spiritual manifestation of the same God, hence linguistically used to denote the Biblical God.

    Ie 'the head God'
    The 'most powerful God'
    The 'God who isn't limited in expression',
    'God of Gods'

    This methodology is traditional, and is accepted usage where applicable.

    In other words, the 'etymology' the language parsing, does not inform the direct inference.

    Hence God is a name that was considered a 'name', when used for the Biblical God, not a 'word'.


    // In direct inference , a name derived from a germanic language used name for 'God'.

    ///Whether the name pre-exists the possible derivative words, or such, is speculation, since names tend to not follow the same aspects of word morphology.

    Likewise, whether words seeming to relate to the name 'God', pre-exist God as a name, is speculation.

    So, we could say, the germanic usage of a 'head God' with the name 'God', or God derived from a longer name, is what the name 'God' is as regards to language inference.
     
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    I believe the name God isn't derived from a word that does not mean 'god' directly, but is a name that infers the Biblical God, in the germanic language.

    Knowing this, they simply used a name that they were already using.
     
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  11. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    It's pretty amusing that people think God has a name, that only certain human beings are aware of. No one considers the rest of creation.

    If anything, everyone and everything knows the name of the Creator, inherently.
     
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    God has different names and manifests Himself in different ways. He is still and ever will be only One God though.
     
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    In general terms it denotes God-head, but then one must look into the attributes one attaches to this God-head to identify exactly one means by it, please.
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