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This may explain why some mainstream muslims call Sufism to be false teaching

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Then why is it that the op's manner of practicing sufism is so drastically different from the way I practice Islam? Why is it that most Muslims believe that what he is practicing is shirk - the greatest sin in Islam?
Sufism has been a big part of ortodox islam since islams beginning. It is only in the last 200 years that sufi islam is not so popular anymore. And that is because of wahabism, a modern form of islam that was created 200 years ago
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Then why is it that the op's manner of practicing sufism is so drastically different from the way I practice Islam? Why is it that most Muslims believe that what he is practicing is shirk - the greatest sin in Islam?
Why do believes he commiting shirk? He has not commited shirk. Sufism is not shirk. He is a good sufi muslim that practice his faith in a good manner. Sufi islam is beatiful.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
After i become a sufi there has been times where some mainstream muslims attacked the sufi path (that is ok)
But it made me think about why they do it, and this following text may explain it a bit.
Sufism is much more a spiritual path than a strickly religious one and that seem to trigger reaction from mainstream muslims.

Islam vs Sufism

Introduction
Islam is a dogmatic and monotheistic religion founded by Prophet Muhammad about 1400 years ago on the basis of revelations of Allah contained in the holy book of Quran. Islam is a strictly enforced way of life according to dictates of Quran and Hadith (subsequent explanations of Muhammad’s sayings) that every believer of Islam is mandated to follow. Islam believes there is only one God and that is Allah and no other God. According to Islam the purpose of life is to live according to Quran and Hadith and thereby serve Allah.

Sufism, on the other hand is spiritual dimension of God-man union. Some scholars on religion and spirituality believe Sufism is a mystical concept that predates history, long before organised religion came in to existence. It is claimed that the idea of Sufism has been expressed by Hindu and Christian hermits and later influenced Islam. Nevertheless it is safe to say that Sufism has been blossomed in the structure and practices of Islam. Some believe Sufism among Muslims developed out of disenchantment of the materialistic and luxurious life-styles of moneyed Muslims, especially the Umayyad Caliphate. According to Ali Hujwiri, Ali Talib was the founder of Sufism within Islam. Many scholars of Islam and Sufism believe that Sufism is all about internalisation of Islam that includes such practices as recitation, meditation, and other ritualistic activities. It is also claimed by some scholars that Sufism means emulation of the life of Muhammad, and striving to be exactly as Muhammad was.

In the following link you can go deeper in to the differences between Islam and Sufism.

Read more: Difference Between Islam and Sufism | Difference Between Difference Between Islam and Sufism | Difference Between
I know there are different opinions about how sufism began. I agree with the people that believes sufism began out of disenchantment of materalistic life styles
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
Islam has different dimensions.
Islam is both iman and ihsan. Sufism is the ihsan part of islam.
The three stages of islam are Islam, iman and ihsan. Are you saying that sufism is ihsan, but not Islam? You cannot have ihsan without Islam and iman just as you can't have a third step without a first and a second one.
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
I think the reason why you practice islam so differently is because you ignore Sufism and the OP believes Sufism is the most important part of islam
OK, give me a reason from islam to practice this kind of sufism.

What about the sufis ignoring Islamic sharia and the Quran and the hadiths and even common sense, in fact?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
The three stages of islam are Islam, iman and ihsan. Are you saying that sufism is ihsan, but not Islam? You cannot have ihsan without Islam and iman just as you can't have a third step without a first and a second one.
Yes islam has three stages. Islam, iman, ihsan. Sufism is ihsan yes, the inner dimension of islam. Sufi islam beliefs the inner dimension of islam is the most important part of islam. Yes thats true you cannot have one without the others. Sufi islam believes in all three but believes the ihsan part is the part to follow the most
 

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It is a science of spirituality with regards to the soul, some of it is accurate, some of it is not and is opinion of fallible people interpreting Quran and Sunnah wrong. So partly Islamic, partly not.

It has a lot of insights proven through those who studied spiritual side of Quran and Sunnah, and so is very valuable.

And innovations are innovations, but gathering to remember God is proven through authentic ahadith.
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
Why do believes he commiting shirk? He has not commited shirk. Sufism is not shirk. He is a good sufi muslim that practice his faith in a good manner. Sufi islam is beatiful.
Sufism is just filled with shirk. I think it is built upon shirk. It's at the very center of the ideology. They seek help from prophets and saints. Some of them have the picture of their shaikh in front of them when they pray. They use talismans...
 

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Sufism is just filled with shirk. I think it is built upon shirk. It's at the very center of the ideology. They seek help from prophets and saints. Some of them have the picture of their shaikh in front of them when they pray. They use talismans...

Seeking help from God's chosen is not Shirk but the essence of relying on God and his rope.
 

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Yes islam has three stages. Islam, iman, ihsan. Sufism is ihsan yes, the inner dimension of islam. Sufi islam beliefs the inner dimension of islam is the most important part of islam. Yes thats true you cannot have one without the others. Sufi islam believes in all three but believes the ihsan part is the part to follow the most

Sufism is not Ehsan, it's study of Ehsan, Ehsan is the actual actions that make you see God and seeing God. Sufism is study of that subject, but is not Ihsan itself.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Sufism is just filled with shirk. I think it is built upon shirk. It's at the very center of the ideology. They seek help from prophets and saints. Some of them have the picture of their shaikh in front of them when they pray. They use talismans...
No you Are wrong. Sufism is not shirk. What is wrong with seeking help from prophets and saints? Sufi muslims know that the prophets and saints is only human. So no that is not shirk
 

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Sufism is a science and branch of Quran and Sunnah, just as politics and social justice is a branch of Quran and Sunnah. Some of it we get right, some of it we get wrong.
 

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No you Are wrong. Sufism is not shirk. What is wrong with seeking help from prophets and saints? Sufi muslims know that the prophets and saints is only human. So no that is not shirk

You are right, it's British who funded Salafi Islam to make people disconnect from Prophets, Messengers of the past, as well as Ahlulbayt, who are all connected to this world through the guide of our time, the means towards the heavenly world and connection to that unseen worlds with this seen world, and so wanted people to disconnect from the Mahdi, while most Muslims use to be Sufi Sunnis who were Twelvers and believed in the 12 Imams as chosen poles and magnets that bring people to God.

This connection talked about in Quran and by which Prophets can help the Mahdi and connect past people of different religions to the current guide, is all called Shirk, so that people rely on fallible scholars and prefer their opinion on Quran and Sunnah, rather then getting directly connected to the spiritual world and true kingdom and seeing the truth directly through the chosen kings of God, who are all alive and kicking from Adam till the Mahdi.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
OK, give me a reason from islam to practice this kind of sufism.

What about the sufis ignoring Islamic sharia and the Quran and the hadiths and even common sense, in fact?
Sufi muslims do not ignore shariah. They believe the inner dimension of islam is most important so they interpret the rules in the Quran and Hadiths in a symbolic way, inner dimension way.

Many sufi muslims believe the that the best way to interpret the shariah rules is to focus on the inner meaning. They do believe the inner meaning, the symbolic meaning of the shariah is most important, they do not always interpret the shariah literaly.
 

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The inward reasons for each component of Salah is in Quran, this is why people say you need ahadith for to know how to do salah, but really with help of Sunnah and ahadith, you can see it all in Quran, but not in the structure they want. You can see not only exact number of Salahs, but also the amount of rukus, the way they are split, and sujoods, and why twice sujood with respect to one ruku, and wisdom of all that is in Quran.

The spiritual science/irfan/sufism, is the only way to see the ahadith explaining Salah in outward form to be confirmed with philosophy of it in Quran.

But because the devil wants us not to see everything in Shariah in Quran, he wants us to blindly follow conjecture of men known as ilmel rijaal and not understand and perceive the Shariah when Fiqh in Quran means to understand and had nothing to do with ilmel Rijaal or sciences of Fiqh of today's time, but was totally inwardly understanding all of Islam, it's spiritual and outer dimensions, social justice aspects and inward spiritual aspects. May God hasten the victory and make most humans return to the light of God from the darkness they are in.
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Distrust of mystic traditions is quite commong among dogmatic religious folk.
They seem to think that experience is inferior to scriptural theory.
 
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