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This is who we are fighting in Afghanistan

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by kai, Jun 14, 2008.

  1. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    its interesting to note that not many people seem to know whats going on in Afghanistan , i get the impression that most people think we are still fighting Al queda , although Al queda is still active in the area ,we are in fact fighting a protracted war against the the much more capable foe the Taliban.

    Iraq has taken centre stage for most anti war activists but we are in a WAR in Afghanistan and make no mistake it could be still going on long after we have left Iraq. the UK at present has more troops in Afghanistan than it has in Iraq.

    I dont want it to be a forgotten war hence my reminder



    BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Who are the Taleban?
     
  2. Phasmid

    Phasmid Mr Invisible

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    Why don't we just let them grow their opium crop and buy it for use in hospitals? It counts for 60% or Afganistan's economy. Why not just give them a legal means to sell it and build a better life for themselves? I don't even know why we're over there...
     
  3. robtex

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    Kai, my understanding is that we are in Afghanistan to hunt for Bin Laden. From a pure economic standpoint it is a huge waste of tax-payer dollars to spend billions per month looking for one freaking guy whom, we have not found in 6 years now. In regards to the taliban my understanding is that there isn't a financial link between them and 9/11. Bin Laden is a possible financial backer as is Al Qaeda. what reason do you think forces are in Afghanistan?
     
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  4. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    OK its my understanding that we went there to destroy Al queda ,overthrow the Taliban. OK i think we could safely assume Bin Laden is not in Afghanistan, we are not so much looking for Bin Laden as holding defensive positions, I am beginning to wonder what we are doing there to be honest?

    Al Queda and the Taliban attack then return to Pashtun controlled provinces of Pakistan regroup and then return to the fray, and on and on the cycle goes for six years now.
    I am wondering how long this is going to go on for ,and i am slightly dismayed that no one seems to be very concerned by it.
     
  5. wednesday

    wednesday Jesus

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    Its sad to see, if the coalition leaves Afganistan now, it will do nothing to ease the suffering of the poor.
    Sure the taleban think theyre capable, but they can only look after themselves, and not their subjects through any means other than brutality.
    Afganistan needs the coalition to previal so they can put their economy back on track.
     
  6. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    heres a point i make often, the coalition cannot prevail until all the Tali ban are dead all the Jihadis who join Al Qeda are dead, or recruitment comes to an end. they just sit in Afghanistan defending positions ,waiting for the next attack which is devised and prepared in another country.

    People often moan and say how incompetent, we cant even find Bin Laden! well your not even in the right country to find him.

    get this ,Baitullah Meshud is the leader of a Pashtun waziri tribe allied to the Taliban, negotiations between the four waziri tribes and the Pakistani government have procured ceasefire which pretty much leaves waziristan free and open to taliban and Al Queda to do as they wish with impunity. so they just gather their weapons, head of into Afghanistan attack the coalition or terrorize a few Afghans then return to camp. i heard reports that the Pakistanis actually gave Meshud $20 million for the ceasefire.
     
  7. TashaN

    TashaN Islamopolitan Staff Member Premium Member

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    Oh my dear kai, you are after the wrong people. Taliban have nothing to do with 9/11 and all what they did was to refuse giving up Bin Ladin to the US. In Islam, we don't give our own brothers and sisters in faith to others just like that. It's our duty to support each other. Taliban asked the US for an evidence to prove that Bin Ladin did it, and all what the US could offer at that time was to capture him and find out whether he was guilty or not in any court in the US soils, and stuff like that.

    So, you see, Taliban is just a victim of war in here between the US and Al-Qayda. The US are in Afganistan and Iraq to stay forever. Any other assumption than that is a lie, but i don't know about the UK.

    This is just a plain invasion using new ways and tricks of the 21st century. Go figure.
     
  8. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    regime change was one of the reasons the coalition went to Afghanistan, the idea wasnt thought out ,and no thought was given to the actual ethnic roots of the Taliban and their allies which span several contries,

    Bin Laden is not in Afghanistan and probably wasnt even there at the time of the invasion. I think that in order to prop up the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq for that matter we would indeed have to stay there forever.which will not happen because our electorates will not allow it .and who would want to?

    always good to talk with you Abu Khalid
     
  9. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    On Monday, Afghanistan's ambassador to Pakistan was summoned to receive a formal protest over remarks by President Karzai.
    Mr Karzai had said on Sunday that Afghanistan had the right to send troops across the border to chase militants taking shelter in Pakistan. The US says cross-border raids from Pakistan are a growing problem.


    BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Afghans flee amid fears of battle
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Superstylin' Staff Member Premium Member

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    I assume your support for your "brothers and sisters in faith" extends to the Muslims who the Taliban have threatened with death if they co-operate with the new Afghan government or take their daughters to school, right?
     
  11. TashaN

    TashaN Islamopolitan Staff Member Premium Member

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    Your are being presumptuous. I believe that i was clear on my position. Taliban didn't fall from heaven, and i don't know who they are, except from what i hear here and there or even read in the news. I just mentioned what was their position in the bin ladin issue, not that i gave my full *hi-five* support for ALL of their actions. I hope you will try to understand that.It's like when someone says, McSame "for instance" did so and so "something good", so someone would jump forward and say heyyyyy, do you mean that McSame is your favorite nominee bla bla, you know the rest. Got my point?
     
  12. TashaN

    TashaN Islamopolitan Staff Member Premium Member

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    And good to talk with you a well, kai. :)
     
  13. lilithu

    lilithu The Devil's Advocate

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    We went in looking for bin Laden. When that didn't materialize, the administration started talking about "spreading democracy." Just like in Iraq. We went in looking for WMDs and a link to al Qaeda. When that didn't materialize, the administration started talking about "spreading democracy."

    If the point of invading Afghanistan was to overthrow the Taliban, I wish we would have done it before they blew up the Buddhas. NOT that I'm advocating us going around the world overthrowing govts, but if we're gonna do it, I wish we woulda actually done some good.
     
  14. TashaN

    TashaN Islamopolitan Staff Member Premium Member

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    The US won't do any good before they gurantee that they will receive goods in return. ;)
     
  15. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    Can we beat the Taliban, Kai?
     
  16. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    not if we are stuck in Afghanistan we cant no!
    Its like fighting when your hands are tied.
    Half our so called allies wont commit combat troops

    but what do we do? train the Afghan army and see if they can hold them?
    Honestly what hope do they have? we havnt beat them in what 7 years?

    i blame intelligence they should have known the aftermath again? they should have known half the bloody Taliban and their allies dont even live in Afghanistan.

    i will tell you this, whoever your next president is, he is going to have to make some very hard decisions over this situation.
     
  17. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    LOL! I don't think Scotland will be going down the presidential route in the near future.
     
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  18. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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    ha ha sorry jaiket i should be paying more attention :yes: saying that arnt you from the arctic circle?
     
  19. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    I think Scotland is an honourary member. :D
     
  20. kai

    kai ragamuffin Staff Member

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