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Think You'd Never Agree With Pat Robertson?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Stanyon, May 16, 2019.

  1. Stanyon

    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    Only marginally pleasant. Still, that's pleasant.
     
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    His objection is that it has less chance of winning in the SC, not that it is morally unconscionable to force an 11 year old victim of incestuous rape to carry the baby to birth thus risking her life and potentially causing massive emotional damage.

    "It's an extreme law and they want to challenge Roe vs. Wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the Supreme Court because I think this one will lose," Robertson added with a chuckle.
    ...

    "Again, I think it's ill-considered," Robertson continued. "I think we ought to do it, but Roe vs. Wade was a put-up case, it was a phony case...it was an ACLU job dependent on the so-called 'right of privacy' ... but the Alabama case, God bless them they're trying to do something, but I don't think that's the case I want to bring to the Supreme Court."
     
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    • I hear Pat Robertson likes bacon and eggs for breakfast.
    • I like bacon and eggs for breakfast.
    • Ergo, Pat Robertson and I agree on something.
    • That said, I say Pat Robertson is a turd.
     
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    And those who support the new law in Alabama say that abortion is "murder", but if that were to be the case in a state that has capital punishment, then both the woman and the doctor would need to be executed. Here in Michigan, they'd have to get life with no parole if we took the same position.

    Needless to say, I ain't for either.
     
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    Repeating your post for being informative.
    The OP had me o_O. But now I understand. Thank you.


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    The saddest part is that this dangerously misguided twit actually advises presidents and millions of fools who vote and don’t understand the bible’s main points. :(
     
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    There HAS to be exceptions for rape/incest and the health/life of the mother. If that were in the law, I'd go for it. I wouldn't do the 99 year thing either. Murderers of 'born' humans get less time.

    The thing is, an 11 year old can't enter into consensual sex. Not possible. Being pregnant at eleven is about as dangerous to 'life and health' as anything I can think of.

    That said, I believe that bringing up the 11 year old is a bit of an extreme example, given that the vast majority of abortions are sought by adults who entered into consensual sex and want the abortion for the sake of convenience.
     
  10. Daemon Sophic

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    Careful. Those last few words cover a lot of room, from...

    Pill, IUD, timing, abortion,..... it’s all good. Plus, I wanna be out in the nightlife. Yea!!”
    .... through ....

    My fiancé dumped me after his condom tore. Then there’s my life’s ambition to finish med-school; not to mention my violently orthodox family who will disown me”....
    ...to....

    The birth control pill failed to stop this (as happens to 9% of couples per year), and my husband and I are barely getting by, supporting our 2 children, especially now that the factory may be shutting down soon.”

    All of those could be described by some as “for the sake of convenience.”.

    PS. - The last example, stable relationship couple with children, are the most frequent seekers of abortions, regardless of political party or religion. While many people falsely believe that it is the first example. :shrug:
     
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    Now use those same examples. Except, instead of having them be about an abortion, have them be about deliberately killing the kid who lives next door.

    That would be closer to the way folks (like me) who honestly believe that life begins at conception, and that abortion is the ending of a real human being, feel about it.

    But you are right, all three could be 'for the sake of convenience...' and frankly, if getting pregnant is as bad an idea as it would seem in examples two and three, then the people involved should think REALLY hard about doing that which makes babies. #2 should not have been depending solely on the condom. #3 should use multiple forms of birth control, as well.

    Please note that even though *I* personally would recommend abstinence to woman #2, I didn't include that in the options.

    One makes a choice when one enters into consensual sex, I honestly believe; and that choice is...if all the birth control methods fail, and I end up pregnant, then...this is a human being and I invited him/her into existence.

    BTW...your claim about who gets abortions is incorrect. While most surveys don't even look at married status, the National Abortion Federation does, and it seems that 83% of women seeking abortions are unmarried. Most abortions are sought by older teens and women in their twenties. Oh....and the NAF is NOT a 'pro-life/anti-abortion group.'

    You can get the pdf of their findings here.
     
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  12. Stanyon

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    Where did you get the information for that claim?

    In 2015 the CDC ( Centre for Disease Control) stated that ~ %86 of all abortions were performed on unmarried women, it falls roughly in line with this chart up until 2005.

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    It would be highly illogical to believe that for no particular reason they completely reversed.
     
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    Fair enough. And thanks for the call on “married”. I was editing too fast. Corrected it to “stable relationship couple with children”.
    Your reference has slightly different numbers than other reliable sources I’ve seen, but that’s fine.

    While I understand the viewpoint about human life and considering abortion the equivalent of murder (which is not supported by biblical text); as the US is not an orthodox Christian theocracy, the laws should reflect the views of everyone, not just one of the many philosophies within our diverse nation.
    Since the majority of the population thinks the pregnant woman should decide, and an even larger percentage believe that government shouldn’t be able to force citizens to undergo grueling and taxing medical procedures against their will......

    Please do understand that I and every “Pro-Choice” advocate would like there to be no more abortions, ever. We are NOT “Pro-Abortion”, but we feel that the final decision should be up to the mother. A well-informed mother, not weighted down with myths, lies, and propaganda. If she has your philosophy/religion, then she can go ahead and bear the child to full-term and delivery. Best of luck to her. I’m even happy to pitch in my tax dollars toward improving her child-care and prenatal education & nutrition programs. Not that Mr Robertson would.

    Taking religion out of the issue, then your example of murdering a neighborhood kid is not on par. Closer would be something like, I run up to you and stab us both with the tips of a vascular catheter set (presumably I checked your blood-type ahead of time ;)).
    Turns out, I have a severe form of aplastic anemia, and will die if I’m not hooked up to someone like you, constantly. It’s your blood and your body, and all you have to do is pull the catheter out of your arm, and I’ll stagger off and die. Would that be murder?

    Responsibility. You always took precautions. Always wearing thick (needle-proof) leather coats. But one day, a few weeks back, you got tipsy, and wanted to go for a swim in the ocean, took off the coat, and BAM!! :eek: I got your artery! :D

    Seriously though. Abstinence is the only 100% form of protection. But that is a tall order for most human beings.
    An interesting line from that article you cited....
    Women who obtain abortions represent every religious affiliation. 13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical Christians; while 22% of U.S. women are Catholic, 27% of abortion patients say they are Catholics.”
    Which indicates that Catholics use abortion services at a higher rate than their cohorts. o_O I would imagine that this is a social/familial/shame aspect that they disproportionately have to deal with, due to the conservative nature of their philosophy/religion, and/or a failure in their education about prevention of pregnancies.

    It certainly didn’t give them a bead on abstinence.


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    Yep. I corrected it above.
    Interesting and hopeful chart. Perhaps increased education and access to prevention is paying off.
    Damn liberal viewpoint’s creeping into society!
     
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