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They said it wouldn't be used for 'that' purpose but....

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Twilight Hue, Aug 15, 2022.

  1. PureX

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    If it falls over, it can't get back up. Not much of a 'super weapon'.
     
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  2. HonestJoe

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    OK, so this is just popping back up as some kind of propaganda surrounding Ukraine. It was initially released back in March and nothing has apparently changed about it recently. Nothing like reusing an old story for some cheap copy though (why I'm more worried about capitalism than militarism :) ).

    This is just a random video from some small company, with very little technical details around how it was being operated. That fact this kind of thing is technically possible is no surprise though any company doing is it serious isn't going to be publicly releasing YouTube videos. There are clearly plenty of limitations to this technology and even if many of those are addressed, it's never going to become the science fiction fantasies being imagined and/or feared. For all of the advanced military technologies available these days, the bulk of actual activity is still done by guys (and ladies) on the ground.

    There have been repeated fears (and false promises) about military technology, way back from the very first firearms or even crossbows, but even though there have been plenty of terrible consequences as a result over the years, we've never descended in to the kind of apocalypse or malaise so often predicted. Anyway, it all boils down to humans at some point. If the enemy can't kill you with a drone, missile, bioweapon or robot dog, he'll come at you in your bed with a pointed stick.

    A side point, but no it isn't - that headline is an outright lie. The article talks about the possibility of "AI" being used on the front line in future and makes some reference to "AI" being used in things like data analysis. As is so often the case with general media sources though, when they say "AI", they're usually not talking about actual artificial intelligence systems, especially not ones in real-time use (rather than in development). I think this is more a reflection of public ignorance of the technology but it's certainly one of those phrases that are good to toss out as the "scary thing".

    They mention things like semi-autonomous drones in the same story but they have literally nothing to do with AI at all, it's just a helpful image to build up that irrational fear of a field when there is little real news and no immediate reason to be terrified. Certainly not of the kind of things they're imagining anyway.

    Again, this is all about different kinds of tool and like all tools, they can be used for good, bad and (usually) somewhere in between. Human beings are still the most dangerous component.
     
  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    That's simply not true.

    The Turkish drone has already been used in Ukraine.

    Ukraine's Turkish-made drones face off against advanced Russian military - Breaking Defense
     
  4. HonestJoe

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    Yes, but as I said, that has literally nothing to do with artificial intelligence. Automation doesn't mean AI.
     
  5. Stevicus

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    If different sides in a war get AI to fight each other, they might very well join forces against the humans.

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    So long as they don’t make a robo cat we will be fine.
     
  7. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I would say it is. It may or may not be machine learning but it is certainly coming and likely soon.
     
  8. HonestJoe

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    Then you'd be wrong. There is "no may or may not". There is absolutely no "artificial intelligence" or "machine learning" involved in that missile system, especially not real-time. It was developed entirely in Turkey because they couldn't import anything due to sanctions. Even if they had the capability (which would be unlikely), they would have absolutely zero need to use anything as complicated for a relatively straight forward system that was essentially copying existing ones.

    There is almost certainly some use of AI technologies in the development of some advance military system (or general systems that could have military uses) but I don't see any immediate reason for anyone to put in all of the effort to develop any kind of entirely independent thinking machines in a military context (or any other for that matter). There are plenty of much, much more cost effective and reliable ways to spend money on advanced military technology (note that the weapons platform in the video you started this thread with would require zero AI too).

    As was mentioned in the article, some elements of AI can be (and almost certainly are) used for various kind of data analysis for military purposes (and again, others). Regardless, it's still a question of tools being used to serve a particular purpose and any tool can be used for good or bad. There is nothing fundamentally better or worse about AI technologies in general in that context. Some specific (mostly hypothetical at the moment) uses could certainly be questionable, but that applies to pretty much anything else too. I'm certainly not saying risks should be ignored or anyone given free reign, but objections need to be based on facts, proper understanding and rationale, not propaganda, ignorance and panic.
     
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