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Featured Thesis: YEC are Conspiracy Theorists

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Heyo, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    I'm recycling an other OP I made on an other forum where the above thesis was generally accepted, even by YEC. But in good scientific manner, an experiment has to be repeatable. So my challenge is: show how someone, with an at least average education about the facts and sans a serious case of superiority complex, can believe in YEC without also believing in a grand conspiracy.
     
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  2. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Cool topic. I'm interested in reading the replies.
     
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    I haven't thought of it that way before, but the challenge makes sense since someone who believes in YEC has to explain why the scientific consensus and most people say that he's wrong.
     
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    Can I involve Satan?
     
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  5. Heyo

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    As long as he isn't conspiring with someone else ...
     
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    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    What does "ECF" stand for? Never seen it in use.

    Do you have any examples of someone with an average education of the facts (as requested)? I.e. someone who has heard of radiometric dating.
     
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    I've often thought this about YECs.

    OECs might say it is not so much a conspiracy as the dominance of a "materialist" mindset in modern society (i.e. confusing methodological naturalism with philosophical materialism). They can do that since they push their divine interference off to the distant past, for the origin of life etc. This is the approach of the ID crowd, for example.

    But YECs do actually have to deny the evidence under our noses on a whole range of issues - or deny its interpretation. So it seems to me they have two options: a grand conspiracy by all the scientists to fake the evidence, or a grand conspiracy by God to put fossils in the rocks, magnetic stripes on the sea floor etc., to "test the faith" of the scientists.
     
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    @coconut theology ,

    I was looking in your replies for evidence of the "counterfeit philosophy". See below:

    Respectfully: I didn't read every word, but, I skimmed it. Was there evidence of this ^^ ? Did I miss it?
     
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    At first I wasn't sure what YEC meant, having not bothered to look at what sub-forum this was under, so I googled and scratched my head: what conspiracy theory could be behind the Young Entrepreneurs Council? :sweatsmile::sweatsmile::sweatsmile:

    Then I scrolled down and saw the Young Earth Creation...:D
     
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  10. Heyo

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    Sorry, I thought YEC was a universally recognized abbreviation. It is more precise than just "creationist" and I use it almost exclusively (together with "Hamist", which I totally made up but people mostly know what I mean).
     
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    Yes initials are sometimes misleading. For example when people talk about STDs I always think of Subscriber Trunk Dialling, which was a change in the UK telephone system in the early 1960s.
     
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    I have heard of "drunk dialing" but what is Trunk Dialing?
     
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    It's all very simple really.....if one can "see" it. This physical creation, including mankind, is terribly FLAWED...
    And it all, including mankind, was created this way intentionally, by an inferior (flawed) "god"....that is "jealous" by his own admission...

    And jealous most of all of us......YOU and me. Because he knows that we, us, the "Spirit" that is who and what we really are...
    are superior to him. So long ago he trapped us in this monkey suit, and keeps us here in this hell hole so he can lord it over us.

    The greatest "conspiracy" in the history of human civilization is HIDDEN from us, right in front of our faces...
    because the greatest conspiracy in the history of human civilization......IS HUMAN CIVILIZATON.
     
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    I believe it is the simply result of deifying the Bible....as the ultimate truth.
     
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    No, he involved himself.

    He heads the WWCOSSTDETSTTOG

    world wide conspiracy of satanic scientists to
    try to suppress the truth of god
     
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    See the citation from Lactantius for a brief beginning.
     
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    Truth indeed.

    "... God has illuminated the human intellect, and poured a flood of light on the world in the discoveries of art and science. But those who view these from a merely human standpoint will most assuredly come to wrong conclusions. The thorns of error, skepticism, and infidelity are disguised by being covered with the garments of philosophy and science. Satan has devised this ingenious manner of winning the soul away from the living God, away from the truth and religion. He exalts nature above nature's Creator.--U. T. {HL 293.1} ..." - Healthful Living. 293.1

    "... Satan can impart scientific knowledge, and give men chapters upon philosophy. He is conversant with history, and versed in worldly wisdom. {ST, May 28, 1894 par. 8}

    Almost every phase of talent is now being brought into captivity to the prince of the power of darkness. Worldly minded men, because they wish to exalt themselves, and have separated from God, do not love to retain God in their knowledge, for they claim to possess a higher, grander intellect than that of Jesus Christ. Satan envies Christ, and makes the claim that he is entitled to a higher position than the Commander of heaven. His self-exaltation led him to despise the law of God, and resulted in his expulsion from heaven. {ST, May 28, 1894 par. 9} ..." - Signs of the Times, May 28, 1894, par. 8-9​
     
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    I left out the quotation marks

    .....t. "t." o. g.
     
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    You keep smoking whatever you're smoking, and I'll stick to what I'm smoking, thanks.;)
     
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    I was thinking more along the lines of Satan clouding the minds of scientists to make them believe the earth is much older than it is. So these scientists aren't necessarily in on it.
     
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