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These Vaccines Work Really Well

Discussion in 'Health & Healing' started by exchemist, Mar 1, 2021.

  1. exchemist

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    New data, just made public in the UK, shows a dramatic drop - over 80% - in hospitalisations and deaths among the over 80s. These were the first group to have all been given a first dose of either Pfizer or Oxford/AstraZeneca , a process that was completed just over a month ago: Covid vaccines cut risk of serious illness by 80% in over-80s

    There seems little doubt that even one dose has a dramatic protective effect. This vindicates the decision of the UK authorities to give out single doses first, and to give the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine to all, even the very old who were not well represented in the original trial data. The UK has now vaccinated (single dose) 20 million people, a third of the population - and steaming ahead.

    What we are waiting to see next is whether, as the vaccination programme spreads out into the more socially active, and less well shielded, younger segments of the population, the vaccines also reduce the number of +ve test results. That would be evidence that they not only reduce serious disease but also reduce the rate of spread of mild or asymptomatic infections too. That's a much harder thing to prove, but we should quite soon begin to see effects.

    But this is very encouraging so far.:thumbsup:

    P.S. Take-up rate in the UK is well above expectations too. The Brits love - and trust - their National Health Service.
     
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  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Yes they are proving to be very effective. The gamble with peoples lives by giving the vaccines to the elderly when there was little data on its effect on that age group and they hadn't been approved for use has paid off handsomely.
     
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    I couldn't get to the clinic fast enough for mine. And now: I am immortal. :D

    (sorry @exchemist but I had the Pfizer)

     
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    Rival Ankh, Wedja, Seneb
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    This is awesome.
     
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    "giving the vaccines to the elderly when there was little data on its effect on that age group"

    My husband and I are in that age group and we have been eligible to get the vaccine for some time but we are not sure we want to get it.
    I will tell you right now that I do not trust allopathic medicine for as far as I can throw an elephant.
    I believe that one reason so many people are susceptible to Covid-19 is because they are sick from allopathic medicine.
     
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    Yeah its funny how people are now comparing notes on the different vaccines and even sometimes trying to make some sort of oneupmanship out of it. But far better that than a lot of eyeball-rolling peasants, muttering "It baint naaatchural", and not turning up at the clinic.

    I backed my alma mater (well, I had no choice, actually, but that was fine) - and felt crap for 24hrs - but fine since.

    My 93 yr old dad had the Pfizer one - and now we're finding out how well it works, since he tested +ve for the virus a week ago.....no symptoms so far, I gather.....
     
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    They always push us to get the flu vaccine but I never got it and I never got the flu. The same applies to my husband. Meanwhile, I know people who got the flu vaccine but they still got the flu.
     
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    Your beliefs have no basis in fact. The data on the over 80s is now in. Read the OP.

    Get the vaccine. It works. If you don't, you could easily die of Covid, alone in hospital, with everyone dressed in space suits. Not fun.
     
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    This is not the flu or the flu vaccine. So that comparison is beside the point.

    The vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death by 80%. This is not theory: it what we are seeing in hospitals up and down the country. Get vaccinated.
     
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    The vaccines appear to work, the UK government took a chance with the health/lives of tens of thousands of elderly people. The chance paid off.

    I see no reason why you shouldn't get the vaccine, a sore arm for a day is sure better then a respirator or worse.

    As to susceptibility, the reason some people get it worse than others appears to be genetic.
     
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    How can they show that those people who did not get vaccinations would have gotten Covid-19 if they had not gotten the vaccination? That is the hundred-dollar question.
     
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    It doesn't matter if they "would've, should've, couldn't've" gotten it, it's about risk reduction, not necessarily infection prevention. It prevents you from getting seriously ill, IF you get it, and reduces the number of people being hospitalized and intubated.

    This virus nearly killed my healthy 30 year old wife. Get your vaccine and don't chance putting your family through the pain I went through. It's not worth it.
     
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    Yeah obviously no choice, but effective and free. I've read the Pfizer has less side fx and less common; I've certainly had none and neither has my partner (whose first time flu jab made her really quite poorly the other week).
     
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    As I just said on another post, how can they show that those people who did not get vaccinations would have gotten Covid-19 if they had not gotten the vaccination? That is the hundred-dollar question.

    So are you saying it is like wearing a seat belt, we should wear it just in case we have an accident? I agree, but the difference is there is no potential for harm by wearing a seat belt whereas there might be potential fro harm from the vaccine. How many drugs that were considered safe and effective later turned out to be dangerous and even caused death?
    I am not worried about a sore arm. I am worried about potential negative effects from the vaccine.
    That might be part of the reason but not all of it.
     
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    It's called statistics.

    I'm 75 and have had both doses. My 74 year old wife is going to get her second one next week. If it were not for allopathic medicine we both would have been dead a long time ago from more than one condition.

    Try denying the value of allopathic medicine when you have a broken hip, cancer, cellulitis, septicemia from a cat bite and so forth. If you do, I hope you have your plot and headstone picked out.
     
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    What negative effects? What harm? Millions and millions of people have had the vaccination so far. Where is the harm?
     
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    I can't wait! They're saying April for over 65 here, but that might change to a bit later. One of my tenants downstairs isn't convinced it's smart to get it, and I'll have no sadness if he dies from this horrible disease over his own stupidity. Almost grounds for eviction. Maybe I'll tell him my daughter is moving back in. In my view, anybody not getting it is shirking their responsibility to themselves, and to society.
     
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    The vaccines were tested in clinical trials before being approved to be used in multiple developed countries. Clinical trials and scientific review are not a "gamble."

    These statistics show that people with little or no medical knowledge should stop trying to dictate to scientists what to do once and for all and simply accept that one group knows much more about this than the other. End of story.
     
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    In my county, over 220,000 people or over 20% have had the first shot and over 100,000 and 10% have had the second one.

    Total deaths - zero.

    Total deaths from COVID - over 600
     
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    These vaccines were developed and released extraordinarily fast compared to previous ones. While doing proper research online should clear up misconceptions about them and explain why that is, it is largely intuitive to be skeptical of something released so unprecedently fast.

    I hope your neighbor doesn't die from the virus over his mistaken but understandable belief. Your statement really surprised me given its extremely uncharacteristic lack of empathy.
     
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