There isn't a single religion

[TransmutingSoul]

How can atheists show to other people that they don't choose evil?

By showing truth.

Which, btw, is not a defining attribute of the movements that purport to be religions.

The greatest virtues being Trustworthiness and Truthfulness.

With those all virtues are manifested.

Shows we all have a long way to go.

Regards Tony

 

[shmogie]

Funny, because last time I checked, the FBI investigation revealed that ritual child abuse by Satanists turned out to be nothing but an urban legend.

Well, that wasn´t the case in 1973.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well, that wasn´t the case in 1973.

No, in 1973, the urban legend was alive and going strong. People actually believed it. I think it was in the eighties that it was at its witch hunt stage, when we had the McMartin preschool trial, and people unjustly convicted and thrown into jail for nonsense.

 

[shmogie]

You

No, in 1973, the urban legend was alive and going strong. People actually believed it. I think it was in the eighties that it was at its witch hunt stage, when we had the McMartin preschool trial, and people unjustly convicted and thrown into jail for nonsense.

Do you truly believe that there are not, for whatever reason, band together to support each other in a variety of perverse illegal activities ? Like child abuse, human trafficing, sex slaves etc. ?

Are you aware of the the ¨religion¨ that gangs like MS 13 practices ? I have seen their shrines

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You

Do you truly believe that there are not, for whatever reason, band together to support each other in a variety of perverse illegal activities ? Like child abuse, human trafficing, sex slaves etc. ?

Are you aware of the the ¨religion¨ that gangs like MS 13 practices ? I have seen their shrines

There is absolutely no evidence that child sacrifice and ritual sex abuse is going on. As for other illegal activities, I couldn't say. I would assume they are at least as guilty as the population at large, or at least that population which feels not bound to laws, in which case they would still take into consideration the penalties when one gets caught.

I have not studied MS 13's religious predilections. What makes you think that they are Satanists? Do you have good solid links to information about such shrines? Are they Santa Muerte shrines? (That would not be satanism, although it definitely is a dangerous cult.)

 

[syo]

Merely saying that you follow or believe in God/love doesn't magically make you a good person. Actions speak louder than words. It's all about how you live your life, and atheists don't need to prove anything to anyone.

In my opinion, all people should prove that they are not evil.

 

[syo]

Can you define what you mean by evil?

Murder, torture, exploitation etc.

 

[syo]

“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
Steven Weinberg 1999

cults and not religion.

 

[syo]

As an atheist i can honestly say that i am as moral, if not more so than many religious folk. And I am as capable of love as any other human being.

One does not need a god sitting on your shoulder to tell you what is good and evil, or who to love ore hate. All one needs is humanity and it is an insult to humanity in general to cherry pick who is or isnt a human being based solely on your personal faith.

Now consider the prison population of the usa. There are considerably more inmates of the christian faith than the average for the general population. For atheists the reverse is true. Which seems to indicate that in america at least atheists are less evil than christians.

true religious people aren't evil. the fake ones are in jail or they cause misery.

 

[Altfish]

cults and not religion.

Why?
Example please.
Are you defining people who attack abortion clinics as cult members; Islam as a cult, what is your definition of a cult?

 

[syo]

So when a religious person tells you that they choose love, you automatically take their word for it, but when an atheist tells you the same thing, you question whether they're telling the truth?

No. A truly religious person isn't evil. the atheist have to give me reasons to believe they are not evil too.

 

[syo]

Shall I start quoting verses (from various religions) that preach evil? How about those that practice human sacrifice? Smite the unbelievers!

these are cults.

 

[Shantanu]

Murder, torture, exploitation etc.

I know about torture: mental torture through State organised tormentation.

 

[Altfish]

true religious people aren't evil. the fake ones are in jail or they cause misery.

That's the "No true Scotsman" fallacy...

 

[syo]

Why?
Example please.
Are you defining people who attack abortion clinics as cult members; Islam as a cult, what is your definition of a cult?

a cult preaches evil and it's dangerous. a cult is an organization that isn't dharma based.

 

[syo]

Wouldn't that apply to anyone? Or everyone?

of course. true religious people prove they are good.

 

[Altfish]

a cult preaches evil and it's dangerous. a cult is an organization that isn't dharma based.

So, you are redefining the word 'cult'.

 

[syo]

You think that telling people if they don't convert to the religion that God will send them to hell to be tortured for eternity in flames isn't evil? That's terrorism. I see no spiritual benefit to selling fear. It is the opposite of love. Fear creates hell.

this is christian priests preaching wrong.

 

[syo]

So, you are redefining the word 'cult'.

dharma is the keyword.

''no dharma'' =''cult''

 

[ChristineM]

true religious people aren't evil. the fake ones are in jail or they cause misery.

You have statistical evidence to prove this?

Would you like to hear my several and personal experiences of just how evil true christians can be?

I do find it quite funny how many "true" christians are so quick to judge other christisans despite the bible telling you that true christians do not judge others