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There are actually 12 human Gurus of Sikhism

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by ronki23, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. ronki23

    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    Guru Ravidass

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    Guru Banda Singh

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    I don't know where in the Sikh lineage these Gurus go? When was Ravidass Ji alive? Between which Gurus?

    Was Banda Singh Bahadur a Guru after Guru Gobind Singh if he was baptised as a Sikh? Or would you say before as Guru Gobind Singh passed down Guruship to Guru Granth Sahib?

    As a Hindu I believe the Gurus were only humans, not avatars of God (Vishnu only has 24 avatars) . But Guru Nanak was a descendant of Kush and Guru Gobind Singh a descendant of Rama. So I see no problem having 12 Gurus. I respect Sri Guru Granth Sahib too but it's not important to me as it is to Sikhs; the Vedas and the Geeta are more important to me
     
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  2. Treks

    Treks Tearing at the soil to find the ground

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    10 (and only 10) human Gurus are recognised by mainstream Sikhi. Here is some information about them from Wikipedia and here on page one of the Shiromani Gurdwaras Parbandhak Committee's official Sikh Rehat Maryada (Code of Conduct) again it is emphasized that a Sikh is someone who faithfully believes in "Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh".

    Bhagat Ravidas ji and Banda Singh Ji are not considered Gurus within Sikhi.

    Bhagat Ravidas Ji was a contemporary to Guru Nanak Sahib Ji (first Sikh Guru) in the 14/1500's. 41 of his poems are included within Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. A modern day 21st century sect called Ravidassia has branched off from mainstream Sikhi and become it's own unique religion with it's own traditions. More about Ravidassia on Wikipedia here.

    Banda Singh Ji met and became a devotee of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, the 10th and last human Sikh Guru, in the 16/1700's. Singh Ji was a military leader among the Sikhs and went ballistic after Guru Sahib Ji died from his battle wounds from fighting the Mughals. He rallied the scattered Sikhs to revolt, and led them in the jungles when they were displaced. Eventually he and many Sikhs were captured and executed for refusing to convert to Islam. Gory details on Wikipedia.
     
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    Remember there are Ravidassa Sikhs and Bandai Khalsa. I do not know about any Bandai Khalsa today but I do have a Ravidass Gurdwara in my 'local' city and they are incorporated in the Vaisakhi celebrations
     
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    ***Mod: Thread moved out of Sikhism into Comparative Religions***
     
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