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Theocracy: Good v Bad

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by The Hammer, Oct 17, 2021.

  1. The Hammer

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    True. But maybe they could be? I did mention that the laws still be secular.
     
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    Then it's not a theocracy. By definition the law of a theocracy cannot be secular; secular and theocratic governments are opposites. It would like saying that this tyranny is highly democratic. That doesn't make sense.
     
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  3. The Hammer

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    I just meant more in regards to clergy/philosophers running the show. Not necessarily religious law like Shariah or something being implemented.

    It may not be a pure theocracy. I just wanted to open up a discussion.
     
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    If the lawmakers are all clergy, how could their law be called secular? That's contradictory.
     
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    Theocracy is theoretically the best form of government.
     
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  6. The Hammer

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    If it's not based of the religions they practice but a common humanity. How is it not secular?
     
  7. KenS

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    I don't think theocracies will work... until Jesus comes. :)
     
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    If
     
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    Because the law wasn't created independently from the clergy.
     
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    Yes….nothing new.

    I believe there will be a theocracy, but not through any men’s efforts.

    From what I’ve learned, Jehovah God has an “appointed time” He’s going to step in (Revelation 11:18),
    and His “Kingdom / government” (in the hands of His Son -Isaiah 9:6-7) will “come,” and accomplish His Will “on Earth.” - Matthew 6:9-10; Ephesians 1:10.

    IMO.
     
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    I'm heavily in the theocracy is bad category, but atheism hasn't been popular for more than a century or two. For most of human history, any kind of progress would have had to have been achieved under a theocratic government, whether it be the Roman Empire or Medieval Christendom, etc. So they probably got "something" right along the way for us to get to where we are today. Although I will stick my neck out and assume burning witches wasn't one of them. :D
     
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    Theocracy is always bad.

    The legitimacy of a government is based on the consent of the governed. Theocracy doesn't attempt to get this consent or even acknowledge that it's required.


    How could a theocracy respect all religions?
    How would that be a theocracy?

    Not that it matters; absolute monarchy is always bad as well.
     
  13. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    No, it's never necessary and it is a bad thing in and of itself.

    That's not how the term "dictator" is used today, generally.
     
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    A theocracy with secular laws is a contradiction in terms like a square circle.
     
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    The problem with atheism is that it leans so heavily on logic, and on functionality as it's 'truth' that it makes little headway in terms of ethical and moral wisdom. We keep building better guns, but we never really examine why we're doing it. Atheism does not involve itself in such examinations.
     
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    You don't have to agree with them or believe they are somehow "better" than religion, but atheists (and agnostics) have been hard at work discussing morality for quite a long time. Here's a short list of books and people I can name off hand:

    An Enquiry Concerning the principles of Morals, David Hume, 1751.
    Philosophy in the Bedroom, Marquis De Sade, 1795.
    Beyond Good and Evil, Fredrich Nietzsche, 1886.
    Terrorism and Communism, Karl Kautsky, 1919 & Leon Trotsky, 1920.
    Marriage and Morals, Bertrand Russell, 1929.
    The Sexual Revolution, Wilhelm Reich, 1936.
    The Art of Loving, Erich Fromm, 1956.
    The Virtue of Selfishness, Ayn Rand, 1964.
    The Moral Landscape, Sam Harris, 2010.
     
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    A handful. While the average contemporary atheist is coming to a near worship of science as the only valid pathway to truth. When science has no interest in the truth. But only in physical functionality. It's worrisome. Humanity does not need more functionality right now. It needs more ethical wisdom.
     
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    Neither does religion, usually.
     
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    Religions tend to be very much about ethics. You may not like their ethics, but they certainly do engage with people on that level. Science has basically nothing to say about ethics, at all.
     
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    Not really.
     
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