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Theistic (Biblical) Evolution: How Does This Sucker work?

Skwim

Veteran Member
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
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This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
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This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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Everyone believes in some form of evolution, like specialization of animals to an environment or adaptations of a species... but ... goo to you via the zoo is not compatible with the Biblical claims in many ways
 

siti

Well-Known Member
Everyone believes in some form of evolution, like specialization of animals to an environment or adaptations of a species... but ...goo to you via the zoo is not compatible with the Biblical claims in many ways
...so theistic evolution would be more kind of goo to you via the woo?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
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This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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picture yourself talking to an 80yr old man
and in your self introduction you are attempting that explanation

it would be sketchy
with terms that guy could deal with

and you know....yes you do....
Man is going to rewrite that scribed work
with his own agenda driving the rewrite
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
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This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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Don't judge religions by what you see on forums. When it comes to religions such as Christianity or Islam (I cannot judge other religions) forums tend to attract the extremists. In fact many Christians on forums are mistaken for atheists because they do not deny the obvious.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Everyone believes in some form of evolution, like specialization of animals to an environment or adaptations of a species
Which is not what is being talked about here.

... but ... goo to you via the zoo is not compatible with the Biblical claims in many ways
"Goo to zoo" is not an article of evolution. Biological evolution only deals with living organisms.

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Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
source

This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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It's pretty simple. First get over the idea that many people treat Genesis like a history or science textbook.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Everyone believes in some form of evolution, like specialization of animals to an environment or adaptations of a species... but ... goo to you via the zoo is not compatible with the Biblical claims in many ways
Why would it be?

It has been explained to you, at least several times, that your Bible is bloody useless as a science text. It is just mythology.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
source

This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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Speaking as an atheist and non-Christian, I must say that one does not.

Those claims can only be taken as figurative, even leaving aside concerns about scientific accuracy.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?.
Evolution was widely accepted in Europe unlike the US. There were articles in my country back in the day that had almost 100% church membership that were amazed about US trials about teaching evolution. Soviets also didn't believe in DNA etc, they were equal targets. What was their excuse, being nominally atheists? So theistic evolution was between two untenable positions, and had quite the majority behind it until late.

I know many theistic evolutionists. They aren't literalists, so they don't believe stuff like American fundamentalists do. If you go to Europe, it's mostly Pentecostals and similar minorities that have strange and misleading ideas about basic evolution theory. No one outside of the fringe uses the Bible accounts as evidence of 6 day creation.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
I think evolution is just a tool that God is using on his creations.
If you're decent at maths, you can set up the rules in a way that within a closed system leads to a result that you want. Many theistic evolutionists believe that God was present in setting life in motion and perhaps elevating man at one point beyond animals. Note that I'm speaking about what others believe. I personally have no preference.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Francis Collins describes theistic evolution as the position that 'evolution is real, but that it was set in motion by God, and Theistic evolution, which accepts that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God'."
source

This is very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

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Most Christian theologians today tend to take the creation accounts as allegory, probably borrowed from a much longer and earlier Babylonian epic but modified to reflect early Jewish morals and values.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why would it be?

It has been explained to you, at least several times, that your Bible is bloody useless as a science text. It is just mythology.
As we have expiate to you, at least several times, it isn't mythology. :D
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As we have expiate to you, at least several times, it isn't mythology.
Ah, but it is.

However, I'm using the anthropological definition of "myth", namely that these are stories meant to convey teachings, regardless as to whether these "stories" are factually accurate. :D
 
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