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The World is....what shape?

Discussion in 'Games / Pics / Jokes / Stories' started by Laika, Oct 18, 2019.

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  1. Flat

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  2. Cubed

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    13.3%
  3. Yellow

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  4. Fluffy

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  5. A pan dimensional space cookie

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    20.0%
  6. A lion, a Witch and a Wardrobe

    2 vote(s)
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  7. Whatever Trump says it is at the moment

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  8. None of the Above. Shape is a social construct you racist pig!

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  9. None of the Above. The world is a computer simulation

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  10. I don't know. I' m waiting for the voices to tell me

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  1. Laika

    Laika Well-Known Member
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    Come on people. It is the great controversy of our times. What shape is the world?

    Free your mind from the tyranny of science, knowledge and truth and venture out in to the unknown, the unknownable and watch that chicken cross the road and bring about the end of the time-space continuum by killing its grandfather by inventing thanks-giving.

    And so I'm not accused of being a fact-nazi whose oppressing you by denying you the ability to hold contradictory views simultaneously, the poll is multiple choice.

    What's you're view?
     
  2. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    Good poll and good choices. I checked more than half. :D

    I think "A pan dimensional space cookie" is probably the most likely answer. the world is a cookie, and it should be eaten, slow and savor every bite.
     
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  3. Brickjectivity

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    Its a pan-dimensional space cookie. The other options don't even compare. I mean...I am inclined to start a band now. That's how great that shape sounds.
     
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  4. AT-AT

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    Only Santa Clause has the answer.
     
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  5. dfnj

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    We do not live in a computer simulation. Google "quantum mechanics debunks materialism". We live in strangely spiritual Universe. Whatever IT is that decides something is being observed in a double slit type experiment is strangely spiritual in nature. The laws of physics keep everything nice and orderly in the Universe yet at the same time the Universe is amazingly unpredictable and imaginative. The scientific evidence does NOT support the idea we live in a clockwork Universe with hard determinism which is a prerequisite for having a computer simulation.

    Your first three words of your post, "Come on people" immediately started the following song to start playing in my head:

     
  6. Brickjectivity

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    You can't be serious. Its a pan-dimensional space cookie or I'm a giant pumpkin flavored platypus.
     
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  7. exchemist

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    What do you mean by "world"? The Earth? The cosmos?

    But I think the racist pig one has to have my vote anyway, on sheer amusement grounds.:D
     
  8. AT-AT

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    Okay, you got me. There's no arguing you're not a giant pumpkin-flavored platypus. Such a species only exists in politics.
     
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  9. Heyo

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    You can hook up your computer to a random number generator or you could run the simulation on a quantum computer. Both would result in a non-deterministic simulation. My guess is that the simulation we are part of runs on a 5 dimensional, quasi-analogue, quantum, non-Von Neumann machine and we will never the chance to disprove that hypothesis from within the simulation.
     
  10. Brickjectivity

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    All of the people who voted fluffy are wrong.

    In my opinion. :smilingimp:
     
  11. Earthtank

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    The world is shaped like a Triangle and my name is Link.
     
  12. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    Actually.... the voices say....its a donut..... and I have the pictures to prove it

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Earthtank

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    THANK YOU. I thought it was a triangle but, this proof is undeniable. Are you a wizard? Or God?
     
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    Come on now, everyone really knows who we are and the Earth is a cube

    [​IMG]
     
  15. dfnj

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    Well if it's "non-Von Neumann" then it's not a computer by traditional definitions. Can we just use Turing machine for argument. A Turing machine makes more sense to me if we are going to proclaim we live in a computer simulation. If we did live in a computer simulation it would have to be Turing computable. I'm not sure reality is Turing computable.

    Your random number generator idea does not take into account the role of an observer changing what is being observed at the smallest scale of measurement. This is the part that is strangely spiritual.

    Also, you are confusing abstraction with reality. Your ideas about reality are not the reality they represent. The problem with your way of thinking is you are completely ignoring the analog nature of reality and consciousness. There is no digital clock pulse. In reality, everything is connected to everything else. The arbitrary abstractions imposed by measurements do not change the fact that everything is connected to everything else and parts of reality are happening all at once independently. There is no wall clock. The fabric of reality is relative. A computer simulation does not have this recursive semantics to its execution. There is no get-fetch-execute cycle to how matter behaves. Our minds are more like analog radio receivers than they are like microprocessors.

    Here are two videos on this subject. The first has to do with linguistic philosophy of consciousness simulated on a computer.



    This second video has to do with "idealism" versus "realism" and which one of the two is best supported by the scientific evidence. This matters because for reality to be a computer simulation there has to be a clock-pulse driving the get-fetch-execute cycle which there is not:



    I once had an argument with someone who had dogmatic beliefs about Artificial Intelligence and coming Singularity which is always just around the corner in becoming real. Many years ago when I was studying artificial intelligence I was trying to prove human beings were no different than computers. I was trying to come up with a thought that was similar to the following computer program:

    10 NOP
    20 GOTO 10

    This is an "infinite loop". And anyone who has study the limitations of computers, that is Computability Theory, knows about the Halting Problem.

    Halting problem - Wikipedia

    Since I was not able to create an infinite loop with my thoughts I came to the conclusion the human mind and our consciousness is not bounded by the Halting Problem, and therefore, artificial intelligence is impossible because our minds are NOT computer-like but something else.

    The closest thought I could come up with to lock my mind into an infinite loop was this question: "Have you ever thought about what your brain is doing between thoughts?" Most people just laugh their way out of the infinite loop. Computers do not have a sense of humor. This is why I doubt very much the Universe is a computer simulation. There's just too much humor in the World for this to be a computer simulation.

    Since I could not find a thought that would put my mind into and infinite loop I lost interest in AI. I no longer thought it was possible. And ever since I've been devoting my life to the study of how consciousness works and the true nature of the most profound spirituality we can experience here and now.
     
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  16. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    I have no idea what you are talking about...but the earth is a donut...no doubt about it...you just can't argue with proof in pictures

    [​IMG]

    Hard to say.....but I will say this...a whole lot of hikers say Oh God when they see me coming....

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Quagmire

    Quagmire Imaginary talking monkey
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    How come "Sad" isn't on the list?
     
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    I can see that being a band name too
     
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  19. Heyo

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    Although I was half joking about the properties of the machine our simulation runs on, there was a specific meaning to the non-Von Neumann quality. If we live in a simulation it is most likely a Turing machine because program and data are separated. I.e. we are not able to change the program by a genius hack. Or in other words, magic is not possible in the simulation.
    For all we know reality is digital, even time is. But since that is only manifest at the Plank scales, reality is quasi-analogue. A property that I have given my hypothetical simulation.
    That is simply an argument from personal incredulity (and sloppy research). You are executing an infinite loop in the form of

    10 LIVE
    20 GOTO 10

    This loop runs until the machine breaks.
    Also, you didn't try to implement the halting problem but a very simple infinite loop while disregarding that you have an interrupt driven machine with 100 billion cores.
    And sometimes a humorous OP can lead to deep philosophical discussions. That was not my intend. I don't even think that we are living in a simulation. It is just an interesting thought experiment for pondering certain concepts. And it is the most likely of the given choices in the poll.
    Consciousness is much like god. It's a label without meaning. Everybody has a slightly different concept of what it is and tries to deduce how it works. But both parties missed the first step to first establish that it even exists.
     
  20. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
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    I always wanted to call @Laika a racist pig, and have never found cause.
    So I voted that way. It might be my only chance!
     
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