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The world is being taken over by fruitcakes. What's an appropriate response?

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by sandandfoam, Feb 25, 2017.

  1. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Veteran Member

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    Trump is a nutcase. Theresa May is little better. Brexit is closing fast. Le Pen might get elected in France. Is it time to emigrate to Antarctica?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    A fork?
     
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  3. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    The way I see it, sooner or later a firm and wide denunciation of the evils of nationalism will have to happen, despite so many people being set to avoid such a realization.

    If we are lucky, it will not be preceded by something far more traumatic. But the repudiation of nationalism proper is unavoidable and very necessary.
     
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  4. sandandfoam

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    Luis, I couldn't agree more. Nationalism is a cancer.
     
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  5. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    To me, "nationalism" is neither good nor bad but more how one defines it and/or uses it.
     
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  6. bobhikes

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    Nooooooo!, I can't imagine eating a whole fruit cake. Mine usually hit the dumpsters and its biodegradable I think. For the most part these fruitcakes taking over are all biodegradable so the dumpster might work.
     
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  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Hihg Intellajence Kwoshunt.
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    We've been ruled by crazies all along...Nixon, Rob Ford, Johnson, Clinton.
    But as times change, the flavor of crazy changes with it.
    So I don't worry about the latest batch...but I watch with usual concern.
     
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    We have no kings. We have no nobles. We do not have to let priests or local councils tell us what is real. Trials are by jury. Police use advanced detection methods at crime sites. We have newspapers and libraries.

    So the world is not being taken over by fruitcakes. [ Appropriate tasteful humorous joke goes here ]
     
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    I agree with @LuisDantas concerning nationalism, but I think he's several steps ahead of the situation. In a thinly veiled attempt to draw attention to a different thread, I think that battling the oligarchy is a crucial intermediate step towards @LuisDantas 's vision.

    It's the "informal Oligarchy", (reprise)
     
  10. Mestemia

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    Hell no.
    Give it to the dog.
    hopefully the dog will eat it.
    Then all you have to deal with is the **** in the yard.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    What is your concern with nationalism?
     
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  12. dust1n

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    Le Pen is unlikely to win. Similarly in Germany you are getting Merkel or Schulz; both reasonable. Austria elected it's first Green Party PM in history (twice). Scotland is probably going second Ref next year. If that passes, Irish reunification very likely.

    Leftists and centrists are still the majority of most populations and governments in Europe... except Hungary and Poland, the former being pretty heavy right leaning for a while now.

    Leftists just need a united front.
     
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    That's insulting to cancer.

    I'd say go talk to some German Jews who remember the 30s and 40s, but we're running out of them. Instead, how about some Bosniaks & Albanians who lived through the 90s?
     
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    This is what is causing the supposed crisis you see.

    What we need is a firm and wide recognition of the good and bad in both nationalism and globalism so we can have a real discussion about where to draw from both.
     
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    fruitcake2.jpg
     
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    Nationalism is, by definition even, the decision to lend prestige and significance to entirely artificial divisions at the expense of real, significant issues.

    It is also the enabler of various forms of destructive hatred and discrimination.

    Certainly. It turns out, though, that nationalism is at a serious disadvantage from the get go. The globe exists and has inherent significance for humanity. Nations are entirely political constructs which deserve no particular loyalty.
     
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    You forgot Obama.
     
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    Revoltingest Hihg Intellajence Kwoshunt.
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    I don't think of him as crazy....just lacking good judgement in economics, race relations, & ending fruitless wars.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Couldn't you say almost the same thing about blind Globalism?
     
  20. LuisDantas

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    Hardly. This is one of those situations where the so-called options are inherently very assymetric.

    Globalism is all about the effort to reach out. To a significant degree, it is about the challenge to get out of one's restricted confort zone and embrace the challenges and rewards that actually exist in the wider world.

    Nationalism is about pretending that there is no outside world worth considering.

    It may perhaps be forgiven in societies that are too weak or too limited to know better. But it is all-out inexcusable as an actual goal.
     
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