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Featured The Words spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Yahcubs777, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM.

  1. Yahcubs777

    Yahcubs777 Active Member

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    GO and read what i said. I said whether it was by design, OR mistranslations.
     
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    Yep. But still you said "or mistranslation". So if there was a mistranslation, you should have some analysis on it. Just dismissing a bible passage by saying "it could be this or that" is basically cherry picking and dumping what you like and dong like.

    Anyway you never answered the question. You asked "who canonised", well, in order to ask that you are questioning the canonisation of the NT in order to dismiss one single verse that doesnt suit your narrative.

    Are you ready to say that Matthew may not belong in the Bible?

    Or, do you say "who wrote that particular verse"? In that case, who wrote all the verses in Matthew?

    Do you have any standard at all brother?
     
  3. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    To you he is. No one other than your peers believe he exists for all people. Its an unrealistic point of view.
     
  4. Yahcubs777

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    Let me ask you another. It is written in Genesis 1:26-27

    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Then in Genesis 3:22 it is written:

    22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Which of these verses are true and which one is false? Because they both cannot be true. Does it mean that the whole of Genesis should be cast out?

    then in Genesis 6 it is written

    6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    This is the same GOD that said Man was made in HIS image and after HIS likeness, the all knowing GOD said it was very good.

    Then in Numbers 23:19 it it is written:

    19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    Which of these are true?

    Let us go to the NT.

    Saul paul says: We do not wrestle against flesh and blod, but against principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world.

    Then in another place he says:

    17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

    I can list much more and it will be a very big post. Does it mean that all these books should be cast out?

    The orignal scrolls are the words of the Prophets, the bible is not a container of the original scrolls. As it was Prophesied in Revelation 11, they killed the Law and the Prophets in the streets Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.
     
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    This is the thing, for me its not about HIS existence. While all of you argue over that, i am well beyond that. So much so that i have understood that it is an insult to the GOD to say "I believe in GOD".

    My GOD's existence, HIS Word, and HIS modes of operation, are not dependent on my belief. Before HE is Father, HE is GOD. Before all of creation, HE Is GOD.
    My Belief has absolutely nothing to do with what is a reality. I am not a believer, I am a knower.
     
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    Completely irrelevant to the question I asked based on your own statements brother. This is the problem with making random statements that you cannot live unto as apologetics. Just to make sure the you read what I asked again, I shall cut and paste.

    Yep. But still you said "or mistranslation". So if there was a mistranslation, you should have some analysis on it. Just dismissing a bible passage by saying "it could be this or that" is basically cherry picking and dumping what you like and dong like.

    Anyway you never answered the question. You asked "who canonised", well, in order to ask that you are questioning the canonisation of the NT in order to dismiss one single verse that doesnt suit your narrative.

    Are you ready to say that Matthew may not belong in the Bible?

    Or, do you say "who wrote that particular verse"? In that case, who wrote all the verses in Matthew?

    Do you have any standard at all brother?
     
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    How is it irrelevant? And how am i being apologetic? I am saying there is errors in the bible. And there are. This is why Jesus His Pre-Eminence parables is where the message of salvation is, because HIS parables could not be understood they didn't try to alter them.
     
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    When you say something brother, you must substantiate it and analyse it. Not just say something to dismiss a verse from your own scripture as an error because it does not agree with you.

    1. The verse is Matthew 19:17. On what basis do you say it is in error?
    2. You quoted just two verses following this. How do you decide this is an error, but what you quoted is not?

    I can feel that you will never respond objectively to any of these questions. But must ask anyway.
     
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    i have substantiated it. I haven't dismissed it. I even explained it. So what is the issue here? I am not, nor have I ever said that the bible is the perfect Word of GOD. If that is your angle, then go and bother someone else with it.

    Its very simple, GOD is the Most Holy GOD. That is the attribute that no man has. And I know this by Revelation.
     
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    1. The verse is Matthew 19:17. On what basis do you say it is in error?
    2. You quoted just two verses following this. How do you decide this is an error, but what you quoted is not?
     
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    Are you even reading what im saying?
     
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    Yes I am. But since you are not answering my questions, I keep cutting and pasting.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    But it didn't Yahcubs.
    It didn't, until about 30 years later when the revolts exploded, against the Priesthood and the Roman leaders both, eventually ending with the razing of the Temple........ and that's interesting in as much as the woman who listened to Jesus would have lost nothing in that whole dreadful event...... the Samaritan mountain stands to this day.
     
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    Parables and fables are high performance memory tools for the human brain. They create memory pegs that can be retained for a lifetime. Even the atheists, who were once taught the story of say, Noah's Ark, will remember that story their entire life. We will all forget the rational analysis of this story, but we will remember the memory peg, since it is hard to forget.

    The parable and story was a way to maintain the traditions as compressed files; memory pegs. As we get older, we learn how to decompress these files and look for deeper meaning. Others may decompress the files to look for ways to refute their meaning; atheist approach. Each generation of children begins with the same compressed files and each generation of adults decompresses these files and finds meaning in their own time.

    The reason these dynamics work, is stories, parables and fables appeal to the natural brain's of children. Children love story time and many will even enjoy the same story repeated over and over. These create deeply engrained memories of childhood, love and closeness. Unless ye become as children.

    The brain of the child evolves at the fastest rate within our entire lifetime. The brain size double in the first couple of years. The child's brain is able to out perform the adult brain in terms of memory. Any child can pick up any language in a short time. They are a clean slate that does not yet have conflicting wiring. There is a high level of efficiency for language and memory acquisition.

    The child's brain also thinks in 3-D, which is not easy to put into words; their right brain leads. The right brain is the more natural side of the brain. This part of the brain is older and thinks in symbols, which are provided during story time. A talking animal is not part of our physical reality. Rather it symbolizes a specific interaction of human brain firmware, as the child's brain firmware wires itself for the future. These classic stories help to assure similar wiring for adulthood.

    As we become adults, the brain slows it growth rate and the brain speed slows due to conflicting data. Ewe need to self censor more. This is when pretense and prestige become more important. As adults, the stories of childhood, although remembered, do not make as much sense to us. They need to be decompressed, to slow them down for the adult brain; 2-D instead of 3-D. This is left brain thinking which is more advanced, albeit slower. This is differential; 2-D, instead of integral thinking; 3-D.

    The rational analysis of the decompressed files becomes more diversified, helping each other see the same file from many different angles, so we as the adult team can approximate the 3-D symbol of the child. The child's brain is eager to retain these memories ,since it contains 2-D command lines, for the operating system of the adult brain. They will someday inherit and can learn to use these command lines. Prayer and faith clicks on useful links through a thought-feeling interface.
     
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    I answered your question.
     
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    Never did my friend. But I was not expecting any anyway.

    No problem. Cheers.
     
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    It has. What Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence spoke of, is the same thing Moses spoke of, the same thing Joel spoke of, the same thing Isaiah spoke of, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, and so on... The same thing Apostle Peter spoke about. And the same thing John the Beloved spoke about.

    The Samaritan woman is defining the church. Whenever HE refers to someone as woman, HE is referring to the church. Just as Mother Eve was called "Woman" because she was taken out of Man. The Woman is the church. Her 5 husbands are the 5 Angels of the churches: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua... The one that is not her husband, is Apostle Peter,,, Her husband is the good samaritan, spoken of in another parable that helped the man robbed on his way to Jericho.

    The issue is the people have not understood the path to life; significance of Jericho. Moses was denied access into Jericho. That doesn't mean that he was not allowed to enter into a city, but that he must die. Jericho is the stage where the person has put of mortality, and put on immortality. Jordan is what comes next, which is where baptism takes place. That Baptism is transfiguration which happens across Jordan.

    There is the path to life signposted in 2 kings 2, travelled by the Angels of the Churches to the Promised land which the Hebrews believed to be the entire earth. This is a revelation, but the earth Moses was supposed to find, and Joshua, the earth that was given to Abraham, is the new earth, the New Salem written of in the book of Revelation.

    So there is great significance of reaching Jericho, and the man that was robbed on his way to Jericho, is John the Beloved. This is another revelation. For John the beloved was rumoured that he would not die. And they tried to boil him in oil and still couldnt kill him. But he later died which means he did not gain the launch into Jericho. This "Jericho" is where the building blocks of mortality are brought down, and the walled (world) is no longer a wall to you that is keeping you from seeing, and even entering into the kingdom. This terrestrial is walled off from the celestial. That is why Jesus HIs Pre-Eminence said: Except ye are born again, ye cannot see the kingdom. But they wrote that Moses was shown Jericho, but was denied access. That is another teaching that needs explanations.

    Now regarding the worshipping HIM in Spirit and in truth, is refering to "The Spirit of Truth" that GOD said HE would send. The issue is the people believe that was in connection with "The day of Pentacost"... For some reason, they are very confused and think that GOD must talk to HIMSELF to teach the people. For it is written: When he the Spirit of truth is come, he shall lead you into all truth. And he will not speak of himself, but he will speak only what he hears.

    This is actually speaking of a prophet, who hears from GOD directly, and leads the people into all truth. And that Prophet is Elijah.

    So Jesus His Pre-Eminence is speaking of the people that will be led by that Prophet, and they will be led into all truth. That people will worship HIM in Spirit and truth, which is connected to the covenant that Jermiah spoke of, and Joel, and the Prophets Prophesied of him coming... That is the Son of Man. Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the Son of any Man, nor is HE the Son of GOD, HE is GOD and the Father of Adam His Eminence who is the only begotten Son of GOD.

    The point of this thread, was to show that the Prophets who received word from GOD directly, know their GOD, and worship HIM in Spirit and in truth. TO show that knowledge of HIM is the only way to worship HIM. That desire to know GOD intimately, to know as much as possible about HIM, is worshipping HIM in Spirit and in truth. And that is what HE meant when HE said:

    Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, with all your strength, and with all your mind.
    And Love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Therefore, HE said: Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD and HIS Righteousness, and all these shall be added unto you... TO show that everything is in that seeking.

    Then look ask, seek, knock. It was written in this order, but Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the all knowing GOD, knew they would twist it, so it was here that HE put the seek first.

    Seek, ask, knock is the correct order.

    Seek: For thine is the kingdom.
    Ask: The power
    Knock: And the Glory

    Forever and ever...

    Seek the kingdom. When you have found the kingdom then you will know what to ask for.

    Ask: Ask that the All merciful GOD, feeds you with HIS Revelations which are eucharistic, so that you transfigure in life. Why this? Because if you found the kingdom, then you will want to enter into it. And the only way to enter into it, is to be born again.

    Knock: As i am eating the Revelations GOD is giving to me, i am knocking on the door to the celestial.
     
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    I did so.
     
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    1. The verse is Matthew 19:17. On what basis do you say it is in error?
    2. You quoted just two verses following this. How do you decide this is an error, but what you quoted is not?

    Please provide these if you can, objectively.
     
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    By knowing my GOD as ive said time and time again. And knowing what the catholic church has done. They are the ones that installed "fatherhood" in the priesthood. They are the ones that crucified Jesus His Pre-Eminence,and they are the ones claiming to be the church that GOD said HE would build.

    Also by knowing what it means holy. Even the Prophets were called good. If we are to call no man good, then no Prophet should be called good either.
    And finally by understanding the family tree of the children of the kingdom.

    Believe me or not I don't care.
     
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