The will of Jesus vs. the will of God

[Etritonakin]

Ok. That's kind of a new one. But then how can satan traditionally rebel

I don't really understand your question.

Perhaps I was not clear. Obviously, free will IS NOW applied to universal law -but cannot continue to be -one way or another.
The wages of sin is death -because it literally ends with death and destruction -one way or another.
Rather than let all free will/disobedience run its course, however, God allowed only so much time for it -and is bringing all to the point of willing obedience.
If any are/can truly be absolutely incorrigible, both body and spirit CAN be destroyed -but that is not necessarily what WILL happen and that is not what God would WILL to happen.

Satan rebelled partly because he was new -and chose the illogical/impossible. He is now definitely what one might call a "bad guy" -but that does not mean God would not rather he repented.
That is his choice -and between him and God -but he was not created evil and God does not want him to continue to be evil.
Whatever happens, there was only so much time -enough time for the purpose of adequate experience, etc. -for evil to be allowed.
Meanwhile, God has been working toward the purification of all -by reason, experience -and, eventually, -where necessary -ultimatum.

Those who will to do evil will be separated from those who are willing to do good -both men and spirits -and the evil will not be allowed to affect others.
This begins at the return of Christ -though Satan is loosed for a short time after the thousand years -and the "rest of the dead" are not resurrected until after the thousand years.
At that time, those whose works -not necessarily specific beliefs -were good will be rewarded -and those whose works were not good "will be saved, yet so as by fire."

When all willingly obey -by their free will -the universal "law of love" (though brought to that point by the will of God) free will is going to be applied to creativity rather than destruction -and the law of love allows for that. Free will is no longer going to be applied by deciding to disobey that law, because the potential for it will have been eradicated.

There will continue to be humans reproducing on earth, but the government of God will be in place at that time -after the return of Christ, and evil will not be allowed to flourish (except a short time when Satan is loosed). Will try to find the verse, but it says instruction will be so immediate that when one even thinks to do evil they will receive immediate guidance.

 

[Muffled]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

A person has two wills. The will of the body and the will of the spirit. It is the same with Jesus. The body did not wish to suffer but the Spirit of God in the body had the final say.

 

[Nakosis]

Abraham was willing to let God provide the sacrifice... because he now believed that Isaac was the son of the promise.
Moses was adopted by Pharoah's daughter... kinda hafta wonder about the crocodiles, tho.
Noah cursed the land where the grapes grew, upon which He had gotten drunk and ridiculed by the only son who hadn't been forewarned... dignity? Noah believed God... maybe God had warned others first, who hadn't believed and bought the lumber... in Sumeria?!?
Jonah refused to warn Nineveh... and learned acceptance in the belly of the beast. Good thing for us, since the libraries of Nineveh are amazing.

In John 12, Jesus says His Father gave Him commandment, what He should speak; and He knew His Father's words were eternal life, therefore those are the words Jesus spoke. The Prophets are meant to be inspirational, because the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus.
But the testimony of Jesus is more than the Sermon on the Mount which tells us what God has always said, and explains what God has always meant.
The flesh and blood of the New Covenant are the Word made Flesh and the Blood of the Life of Christ. The Flesh is the commandment God gave His Son to give to us... by those words are we made clean. The Blood is the daily life of Jesus and His words and actions to those He meets... and it is also the afterlife... by which we believe what He says and act upon that belief. 'I know thy works, and set before you an open door that no one may shut.'

Jesus knew what He was doing when He took the job. He knew what was about to happen to Him, prayed for the cup to fall... but ultimately knew there was no other way to save His sheep. He is the Seed of the woman* who will bruise the head of Satan.

John.12:27 "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

John.10:15 "As the Father knoweth Me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down My life for the sheep."
John.10:27-29 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of My hand. My Father, which gave [them] Me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of My Father's hand."

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*The woman is Eve, so the woman clothed with the sun in Rev.12, is also Eve.

Saul of Cilicia's oriental contempt for women doesn't chose to recognize this fact. Eve isn't redeemed by birthin' babes and cookin' casseroles, but by the Resurrection of her Seed. Just as Saul claims for Adam, and skips regarding Eve.

The question is whether Jesus had a choice. Do you think Jesus had a will separate from God?

 

[THE Art Vandelay]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things.

So, no....Jesus never said any such thing. At John chapter 17, he reiterated his oneness of unity with God. In other verses he openly said the things he taught did not originate with himself but with his Father, and he said that his "food" was doing the will of his Father. So the actual "fact alone" is that Jesus did not act independently of his Father's will.

 

[tayla]

it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god

Yes, this is why the doctrine of the Trinity came to be, to resolve the conflicts.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

So, no....Jesus never said any such thing. At John chapter 17, he reiterated his oneness of unity with God. In other verses he openly said the things he taught did not originate with himself but with his Father, and he said that his "food" was doing the will of his Father. So the actual "fact alone" is that Jesus did not act independently of his Father's will.

He supposedly followed the will of a separate entity, god. But he did the will of another through his own will on some level of compliance, and was not wholly compelled. If following god's will is not compelled, then we're talking about an independent will that follows a separate will

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Do you think Jesus had a will separate from God?

Unless he was wholly compelled, then the will would have been separate

 

[amorphous_constellation]

A person has two wills. The will of the body and the will of the spirit. It is the same with Jesus. The body did not wish to suffer but the Spirit of God in the body had the final say.

Yeah but doesn't a spirit come from elsewhere