The will of Jesus vs. the will of God

[amorphous_constellation]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

 

[whirlingmerc]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

Yes and no depending on the sense
Jesus has two natures, one divine and another a human nature taken at birth

 

[shunyadragon]

I do not believe that Jesus Christ had a separate Divine will from God. He was the bearer of the Word of God. The Will of Jesus Christ was subservient to the will of God.

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, ‘Lo, I come (in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Thy will, O God.’”

John 6:38 - For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will..

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yes and no depending on the sense
Jesus has two natures, one divine and another a human nature taken at birth

I read it more as saying there is a separate divine nature, that the powers and wisdom he had emanated from his own independent source on some level of relevance. The 'human nature' we can assume that he would have mastered, he didn't have the typical lower human tendencies toward sin that typical people have

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I do not believe that Jesus Christ had a separate Divine will from God. He was the bearer of the Word of God.

He says he had a separate will though. So in spite of whatever he did to act as a tool of god, he was saying that had the capacity to do otherwise in a way that his boss would not approve

 

[Thief]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

what piece of writing gave you the impression?....Jesus had His own discretion

 

[shunyadragon]

He says he had a separate will though. So in spite of whatever he did to act as a tool of god, he was saying that had the capacity to do otherwise in a way that his boss would not approve

Do not agree as cited from his own words. He had a will, but that will was subservient to God as described in the citations.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

what piece of writing gave you the impression?....Jesus had His own discretion

Arguably, it existed

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Do not agree as cited from his own words. He had a will, but that will was subservient to God as described in the citations.

If it is fully subservient, then it need not even cite a separate will. A will is not a will unless it can generate its own teleology, and the book clearly describes two separate wills. One does follow the other, you are correct. However, if that wasn't occurring, then one of wills would do as it desired, and those desires would not be in compliance to the separate will it chooses to follow.

 

[shunyadragon]

If it is fully subservient, then it need not even cite a separate will. A will is not a will unless it can generate its own teleology, and the book clearly describes two separate wills. One does follow the other, you are correct. However, if that wasn't occurring, then one of wills would do as it desired, and those desires would not be in compliance to the separate will it chooses to follow.

This does not reflect the actual citations in the words of Jesus Christ.

 

[PureX]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

Each human serves the will of God in his own unique way, under his own unique circumstances. Thus, it's important that each if us has our own will, even though we may be trying and/or doing "God's will", ultimately.

 

[Deeje]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

Like all intelligent creation, Jesus had free will. But his will was always subject to God's will, as he indicated when he said to God..."My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will" on the night of his arrest. It wasn't that he was in any way trying to back out of his assignment but what really galled him was that he was being put to death as a blasphemer...that is the "cup" that he did not want to drink. Blasphemy was unthinkable for him.

As a free willed being who was perfect, (without sin) by his faithful adherence to God's will, Jesus proved that Adam too could have followed through on what God told him to do. With the temptations that the devil brought on Jesus after his baptism, it showed that Adam chose to disobey his God.....Jesus chose to remain faithful to his commission no matter what the devil threw at him.

 

[LightofTruth]

Like all intelligent creation, Jesus had free will. But his will was always subject to God's will, as he indicated when he said to God..."My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will" on the night of his arrest. It wasn't that he was in any way trying to back out of his assignment but what really galled him was that he was being put to death as a blasphemer...that is the "cup" that he did not want to drink. Blasphemy was unthinkable for him.

As a free willed being who was perfect, (without sin) by his faithful adherence to God's will, Jesus proved that Adam too could have followed through on what God told him to do. With the temptations that the devil brought on Jesus after his baptism, it showed that Adam chose to disobey his God.....Jesus chose to remain faithful to his commission no matter what the devil threw at him.

The Scripture doesn't talk about "free will". It talks about the flesh wanting to do other than what God commands .Adam didn't yield to "free will", he yielded to temptation. And temptation comes from ones own desires of the flesh. And since Jesus was of the same flesh as the rest of us, he could be tempted like the rest of us.

Jesus wasn't being put to death for being a blasphemer. He was put to death because he confessed to be king of the Jews.

 

[Thief]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

not buying any of this

having free will is one thing
may the Force be with you.....is something else

so you propose …..He had no will of His own
and performed like a trained ape
all the while fearing damnation

sounds like anyone BUT Him

 

[LightofTruth]

Suppose it was Go

not buying any of this

having free will is one thing
may the Force be with you.....is something else

so you propose …..He had no will of His own
and performed like a trained ape
all the while fearing damnation

sounds like anyone BUT Him

Suppose it was God's will that, in order to save your life, you had to surrender it by being crucified..Your flesh might sweat blood as Jesus' did.
You might even ask God to take that cup(suffering) from you and ask if there might be another way. But not your will, but God's be done.

 

[calm]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

God and Jesus do not have different wills. They are both one in everything.
Jesus is the word of God, he is the speech of God. Through Jesus God has created everything, because God Himself is Jesus. Read Genesis 1:1 for already there Jesus is mentioned and that as creator.

 

[Thief]

Suppose it was Go

Suppose it was God's will that, in order to save your life, you had to surrender it by being crucified..Your flesh might sweat blood as Jesus' did.
You might even ask God to take that cup(suffering) from you and ask if there might be another way. But not your will, but God's be done.

shades of Jesus Christ Superstar

 

[Nakosis]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, and this fact alone might tell us a number of things. An obvious question that comes to mind would be, did Jesus actually want to escape from his task. Since he had his own will, this fact seems to be saying that it crossed his mind on some level. Had he lived life according to his own will, it is likely that he would have faced divine wrath, and thus could not hope to achieve a good result in an escape from god. If Jesus had misused is powers, or gave talks with a false aim, god would have most likely rejected him and not enable him to be resurrected. Yet, it still must important to god on some level that jesus have an independent will to that of god, though it isn't all that clear why it would be important, other than the idea that god might value the mere unique personality of a separate being.

If Jesus did not have his own will, then he was just a puppet. Makes his sacrifice kind of meaningless.

Thinking about it...
Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, Moses his favored position with the Pharaoh, Noah his dignity. These folks had free will. They could have refused. Jesus could not refuse?

I don't like it. If Jesus was just a mouth piece for God, not much to be inspired by.

 

[1213]

So Jesus said he had an independent will to that of god, ....

Please show the scripture that tells so?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

This does not reflect the actual citations in the words of Jesus Christ.

That's not a very convincing statement