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Featured The Wild Experiment That Showed Evolution in Real Time

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Kangaroo Feathers, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    And you can't fly like an albatros.
    Nore can you run as fast as a cheetah.
    Nore can you zoom with your eyes like an eagle.

    None of this is relevant to the definition of "animal".

    Here's the biological definition of "animal":

    Any of the eukaryotic multicellular organisms of the biological kingdom Animalia that are generally characterized to be heterotrophic, motile, having specialized sensory organs, lacking cell wall, and growing from a blastula during embryonic development.

    We fit that definition. Just like we fit the definition of "primate", "mammal", "tetrapod", "vertebrate", etc.

    It is literally impossible to come up with a definition for Animal that includes ALL animals but not humans, without explicitly and arbitrarily adding "...but not humans".

    The same goes for coming up with a defintion of "Primate" that includes ALL primates but excludes humans.

    The same goes for coming up with a definition of "mammal", "eukaryote", "vertebrate", etc etc.

    There's a reason for that.
    And that reason is, because we ARE primates, mammals, tetrapods, vertebrates, eukaryotes and, yes, animals.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    You are just putting arbitrary importance on traits that are uniquely human, for the sole reason that you are a human.

    Obviously humans, just like any other species, are going to have traits that are unique to them. Those are, after all, the traits that differentiate them from other species. They wouldn't be a seperate species if it weren't for unique traits.

    As said, the cheetah is the fastest runner.

    So what?
     
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    From a spiritual/religious POW we are not animals because we are able to gain wisdom from spiritual life, something that animals are not able to.
    If you see Human beings as Animals that is to me, i have no need to try to change your mind on that.
     
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    Why "lol"?
    What else would you expected it to result in?
    Do you realise that if it resulted in anything but mice, the experiment would have actually falsified evolution?

    I'm guessing you don't.
    In fact, I'm guessing that you actually think that if it would have resulting in non-mice, then that would have been proof for evolution. Amirite?

    Debunked? Citation?

    Atheists?
    Don't you mean "biologists"?

    As for the rest, I suggest you actually read up a bit on the fossil record.
    So far, your post just exhibits all the marks of someone who has no clue on what evolution says, nore what the evidence in support of it looks like. Or how science in general is done, for that matter.
     
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    Again from a Spiritual POW we see it different, and that is ok, if you do not belive in any of the spiritual teaching its ok. If you belive in Darwin it is ok.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    We are also not animals from an incorrect point of view....

    Irrelevant to the defintion of what an animal is.
    Just like it is irrelevant to the definition that an eagle has a zoom function in its eyes, that cheetah's run fast and that the albatros is an awesome flyer.

    Something that OTHER animals are not able to do, you mean (which you, btw, are just asserting here - how about some evidence to support it?)

    Just like OTHER animals aren't able to run as fast as a cheetah.
    Just like OTHER animals aren't able to fly like the albatros.

    I'm just informing you that you are incorrect.
    You can believe what you want off course.
    People have a right to hold false beliefs.
    Just like I have the right to correct them.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    I'm telling you that it doesn't matter.
    "capable of spirituality" is not a factor in the criteria of what constitutes an animal.

    It doesn't matter if I agree with you or not on these "spiritual teachings".
    The fact is that "spirituality" is not part of the criteria of what defines animals.

    So it's completely irrelevant.

    "capable of spirituality" isn't relevant to wheter or not you meet the criteria of "animal" in the exact same way as "being the fastest runner" isn't relevant.
     
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    Do you notice that not once have i said anything about your view being wrong?Because i have no need to say it, you can belive what you want to, just as i can be a buddhist with my understanding of how life is.

    When you say incorrect view. is that based of your own view that all religion is wrong?
    Just because my understanding is based on buddhist teachings does it make it wrong?
     
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    Did the Buddha advocate rational thought?
     
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    What does that have to do with our biological kingdom?
    Animal, vegetable or mineral?
    By any biological measure, humans are animals. It's not a matter of opinion.
    How are you defining "see?"
    I understand you believe differently, that you have faith in a different narrative, but your faith is unsupported by any empirical facts, isn't it? That's why it's faith.
    I think it's more based on his view that religion is unsupported.
    No. It makes it faith.
    I was unaware that Buddhism had any problem with science.
     
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    I think that you will find variation in any religion. Some people will reinterpret parts of their religion that they are uncomfortable with.
     
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    Buddhism has mosty no problem with science.
    A human body is just that, a body it is what is going on within it and around it that make it spiritual body too. personally i do not see a problem with biology but that is only the physical aspect of life, i see more then that in life
     
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    I have no spiritual life. Am I something less than human in your eyes?
     
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    Don't you know that many "spiritual" people believe in evolution.
     
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    Who do you think "believes in" Darwin?
     
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    Those who belive his theory is the right one.
     
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    I am reminded of the baraminologists (and their accomplice Richard von Sternberg) when they attempted to use science to analyze the relationships of created kinds. Objective data (chromosomal data, DNA sequence data, etc.) did not give them the outcomes they wanted, so they tossed in things like 'type of dwelling', 'population density', and 'monogamy'* which made it much easier for them to 'prove' that science provides support for Scripture (because when they used absurd characters like 'type of dwelling', naturally, humans became an outlier when compared to other primates)...


    *I have to wonder how they accommodated that ~50% divorce rate among Christians....
     
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    But that is not accurate.

    I accept that the current Theory of Evolution is correct based on the evidence.

    I do not "believe in Darwin."

    Does one that accepts the theories of gravity "Believe in Newton" or "believe in Einstein"?
     
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    That is ok, i might see it different then you, but that does not make one of us wrong or right, it only make us see it in a different way.
     
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    And foreskins (e.g., Joshua 5:3).
     
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