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Featured The Wild Experiment That Showed Evolution in Real Time

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Kangaroo Feathers, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. Dan From Smithville

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    I did. Thanks for posting it.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    My personal belief(others do not need to think like me) is that what we know as human beings was once beings of "heaven" and of some reason we have fallen in morality and was no longer ccepted in the realm of gods, buddhas and so. So our cosmos (dimention) was either created or used to materielize us in to physical world. so we could learn what the truth is and if we could enlighten we will be coming back to heaven/ paradise/nirvana or what one wish to call that dimention that is seen a heaven.
     
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    While I appreciate the metaphor, as there is something seemingly special about the human soul, to give that word to it which fits into what you are saying, biologically speaking, the physical body most certainly is a part of evolution. And part of that evolution has us directly in the primate line. There is not only countless links in our anatomies through a shared common ancestry, the DNA evidence of this can't be ignored. There is no doubt at all about that.

    But science doesn't deal with the human soul, or questions of absolute truth and meaning. When it comes to "who are we" on that level, this is the domain of mystics and philosophers. One word of caution, not all followers of a religion, regardless of the religion, are at the mystic level. Those who are not, and are at the novice stages will see things in magical terms, and confuse metaphors with facts. Science is not a threat to spirituality. But the language of the spiritual is metaphor, not the language of the empirical sciences.
     
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    I am not to disagree that much of the science is ofcourse correct in its facts, but personally i see 3 lines here.
    1.The spiritual line, where the person follow the spiritual teching and pay less attention to science
    2 The scientific people who see science s the only true answer
    3. The people who are either following religion but also see science as good, and those who follow science and does not disagree with a religion

    In my personal view earth and human beings are a lot older then even science yet have discovered, and yet they have not found what they see as the missing link between ape and humns, even we are very close both in DNA and other similarities. So yes i do see why science would belive we come from apes in an evolution.
    But honestly i am not an expert on science, because i do follow only buddhism and its teaching, but i do not reject all science have found. if i did that would be stupid :)
     
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    Man is an ape. He never stopped being one. One does not evolve out of one's heritage. If you mean that we have not found the definite link between man and chimps, our closest relative, all I can say is "so what"? Some of our clear ancestors are called "apes" by almost all creationists. And we do have a good lineage to Lucy and a bit beyond.
     
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    It is no problem for me that you believe this, but personally i do not see humans as animals. The reson why i believe we are not animals is the ability of being spiritual or spiritul beings. Animals can not learn the spiritual teachings
     
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    It is not mere belief. It is a concept strongly supported by evidence. And people, like it or not, are animals. And how do you know the limits of other animals?
     
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    Language is a limittion ofcourse, but i do not judge animals s "lesser" then humans in that sense.
    There is a lot of "evidence" in religions too, But one must study it or cultivate the teaching in to once own life and become a part of the teaching to really see the evidence, this is what many religions call inner wisdom or spiritual wisdom level.

    But as i said earlier, i do not reject all form of science.
     
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    The supposed evidence in religion is extremely subjective. Not so with scientific evidence. Scientists are human too and would tend to say "that is not evidence" at times so a definition where that does not happen (if one is honest) was made. What you call "evidence" is most likely self delusion, something religions tend to be guilty of.
     
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    Your quote function needs a little work @Amanaki , but how can you demonstrate that you have "inner wisdom"? Just thinking that one has it makes one no different from all of the other religions out there.
     
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    I dont need to show others that i have inner wisdom, Because the wisdom attained from being a buddhist for over 20 years belong to my personal developent. All religion is actually a personal journey toward finding the truth from within. Unfortunatlymany religious people do wish to push their view on others. I do talk about buddhism and what i do belive, but if you do not wish to listen to it or follow those things i telling that is ofcourse fine too. for me buddhism is a personal cultivation.
     
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    Empty claims . Not very convincing. As I said the evidence for religions is extremely subjective and as a result unreliable.
     
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    That is something you are free to feel and say ofcourse
     
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    This is why scientific ideas are so much more well accepted than religious ones. What you believe others will not believe, when a scientist makes a claim he knows that he has to be able to support it. The religious , not so much. People outside of your personal sect are not very likely to accept your beliefs, reasons, or "evidence".

    If you want to ask how we know that we are related to other apes that can easily shown to you. There is evidence from quite a few independent approaches. Is there no evidence at all for your beliefs?
     
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    The "evidence" you talking about in Buddhism is seen when following the teaching of Buddha, one realize that what he ws teaching is true and works in daily life today too. A buddhist does not need "evidence" from this physical world because what we seek is the spiritual life, not the physical.

    And to end the physical life we let go of the attachments to physical life, like Ego/self, greed, jealosy, anger, likes/dislikes and so on. We do look inward for answers, not outward like science do.
    As you maybe know, Buddhist belive in reincarnation (multiple life) and this is what we seek to end. to no longer be born in the physical life form called samsara. and the only way out is to understand enlightenment and by understanding or absorbe this wisdom of enlightenment we do end reincarnation cycle.

    I guess scientific people would struggle to understand this way of thinking, and i dont blame them.
     
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    That is the same "evidence" that other religions have whose teachings you would reject. This is why your evidence is not very convincing at all. It looks like Buddhism may help you accept the inevitable so I am not saying that it is worthless. Of course all religions tend to do that. If you cannot support your beliefs then it would appear that most likely they are not correct even though there are positive aspects of it.

    Let me ask you this, can you think of any rational evidence for your beliefs?
     
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    But science isn't an 'answer', it's a methodology.
    I think the age of the Earth and the rough history of human evolution have been pretty well extablished. Are you privy to facts the rest of us are unaware of?
    Why do you think Earth and humans are older than science believes? How old do you believe them to be?
    Do you have links to this new evidence?
    What do you see as the significance of this new information?

    There is no "missing link." That trope hasn't been in circulation for generations.
    What issues do you have with the fossil and genetic history of humans?
    But science does not believe we "came from" apes. Clearly you're right -- you're not an expert in science. You don't even seem to understand what it is, if you see it in the same category as Buddhism or religion.

    If you're not well acquainted with a subject I don't understand why you'd have any particular opinion about it.
     
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    You don't know the spiritual status of other animals, and if humans aren't animals, what are they? Plants? Fungi? Minerals?

    Biologically I don't see how you could say we're anything but animals.
    At what point in our evolution did we become non-animals?
    I do. It's pretty clear that in the language department we have no equals.
    Cryptic evidence that can only be discerned by believers isn't evidence. If it can't be generally seen, measured, tested, or falsified it's not evidence, it's faith.
    Science doesn't deal with the intangible or supernatural.
     
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