1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured The Wild Experiment That Showed Evolution in Real Time

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Kangaroo Feathers, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    • Winner Winner x 5
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 2
  2. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    8,545
    Ratings:
    +7,972
    Religion:
    Pluralist Hindu
    But mice remianed mice. Sorry could not help it. :D:p
     
    • Funny Funny x 9
  3. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    Please. They don't need the encouragement.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2018
    Messages:
    4,353
    Ratings:
    +2,310
    Religion:
    Cultivator of Buddha Dhamma
    After life was created first time i would think what science see as evolution can occurse, There has been some form of creation long long time ago, But not sure it can be called a creator God. maybe a mechanism of sort, but what it was the very first time is something i do not see ( i can not see far enough back in time to see the beginning)

    But evolution is not directly wrong in my eyes, but maybe not the only true answer to why we are here :)
     
  5. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    Evolution doesn't deal with the creation of the first life. That's abiogenesis, and not the subject of this experiment
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  6. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    22,827
    Ratings:
    +8,464
    Religion:
    Zen Buddhism
    They will still be mice. Just not the mouse one might envision once they speciate over time.

    Just like we are still Apes. Just not The swinging tree to tree group although I think that would have been a lot of fun. :0)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2017
    Messages:
    25,008
    Ratings:
    +13,856
    Religion:
    Atheist
    Why do you believe that life was created? What evidence do you have for that belief? Do you accept the obvious, that you are related to other species of animals?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2018
    Messages:
    4,353
    Ratings:
    +2,310
    Religion:
    Cultivator of Buddha Dhamma
    As a Buddhist as i said i do not see one creator god like they do in christianity, But the very first time universe was comming to life (not this last bigbang) there would be something creating the situation to make it happen. And no i can not prove that what i belive is the ultimate truth or give evidence of the first bigbang that happend. according to Buddha it has been 81 cosmos like this before the one we currently live in. (if that is true or not i can not prove, but i belive it to be)

    Yes everything is related to each other is some way, this is the law of karma that Buddha teach. So in previous life i can have been born as animal or plant, that i am aware of. But i do not think or belive human beings are developed from apes.
     
  9. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    Exactly as evolution predicts. Please go look up cladistics.
     
  10. bobhikes

    bobhikes infinitologist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2009
    Messages:
    7,928
    Ratings:
    +1,873
    That's breeding the same as for Dogs, Cats and most domesticated animals.
     
  11. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    No, it's natural selection.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  12. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    148,266
    Ratings:
    +41,393
    Religion:
    Bokononism
    An experiment run for only a few years would show such small changes.
    But run it for 1,000,000 years, & we might speciation.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    21,098
    Ratings:
    +8,958
    Religion:
    Vedanta (reform)
    But vary the environment more, &/or run the experiment longer, and you'll soon get variations that can no longer interbreed.
    Continue, especially in a different environment, and you'll get variations you'd no longer recognize as mice.
     
    #13 Valjean, Feb 6, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2019
    • Like Like x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  14. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    22,827
    Ratings:
    +8,464
    Religion:
    Zen Buddhism
    True. Yet they will all remain in the same clade.

    Thanks to Aaron Ra. Best evolutionary teacher for us lay folks ever! :OD
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Strange Loop

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2017
    Messages:
    1,261
    Ratings:
    +741
    Religion:
    none
    Why? What mechanism would stop arbitrarily large changes?
     
  16. Sapiens

    Sapiens Polymathematician

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2014
    Messages:
    5,524
    Ratings:
    +2,690
    Religion:
    None
    ...and you remain a primate, a mammal, a reptile, an amphibian, even a fish. Sorry, I could not help it, that's cladistics for you. :D:p

    Because you never, ever, leave your clade behind no matter how much you change, clades are forever and do not change with changes in species, family, order, phyla, etc.
     
    #16 Sapiens, Feb 6, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  17. Dan From Smithville

    Dan From Smithville Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2017
    Messages:
    6,112
    Ratings:
    +3,968
    Religion:
    Methodist
    This was an excellent article and the work was quite the undertaking. A field scale study that takes the results and ties them to changes in the genes. Fantastic.

    I am surprised this has not gotten more responses, but maybe I should not be, considering the solid nature of the evidence the study provides.

    It would be cost prohibitive to run an experiment of this size as long as the Lenski experiment has run, but with three to four generations of mice per year, it would be interesting--to say the least--to see what the results would be after 20 years.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  18. ratiocinator

    ratiocinator Strange Loop

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2017
    Messages:
    1,261
    Ratings:
    +741
    Religion:
    none
    That'll teach me to write hasty replies and make assumptions... :oops:
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  19. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    8,916
    Ratings:
    +6,419
    Religion:
    Catholic
    I'm very pleased you found it worthwhile
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  20. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    21,098
    Ratings:
    +8,958
    Religion:
    Vedanta (reform)
    Yes, your great grandparents will always be part of your family tree, but that says nothing of the changes that ensue as the eons go on.
     
    • Like Like x 2
Loading...