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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Disciple of Jesus, Jul 9, 2018.

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  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    Wait! Have you been reading through this thread from its OP?

    Of course. See above.
     
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    Listen. I was merely showing what you are doing.
    The post was really demonstrating you.

    You just respond to post with statements and give no reason, no explanation - It's like dry bones with no flesh.

    You
    Where is the meat that we can pick at?
    Add some flesh to those bones.
     
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    By the same "logic" that you used to claim that the universe needs one.
     
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    Off and on. No evidence for a designer was presented. You probably do not even understand the concept, as I already pointed out.

    That does not help you. As a supposed Christian you should not be bearing false witness against others. If you can't support your claims, and you have not been able to, they are more than likely wrong. That once again means that when you use your false claims to attacks others that you are bearing false witness even if you believe those claims. Try to base your arguments on evidence instead of false beleifs.
     
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    Now this is more like it.
    I am assuming - I prefer the word inferring from 1) prior knowledge of 2) what has been observed, 3) hence logic, and 4) the current demonstrated evidence verifies it... until shown otherwise.

    You cannot show 1) that life formed by undirected processes, 2) that a universal common ancestor evolved to other organisms - much less existed, 3) that man evolved from anything.
    So no. Your evidence too, depends on inference, or as you say - speculation.

    Whose complaining? You?
     
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    No, you weren't. You were merely trying to defend your ignorance. If you ask me a proper question I will answer it. I will not answer questions on the order of "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?". In other words no questions with false assumptions in them. You one the other hand run when people ask you proper questions.

    Those are conclusions from observations. Quoting out of context is also usually used as an attempt to lie. Can you debate properly? No out of context quotes. When you use a source it should be a reliable one with links to it.
     
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    How can the beginning be created? Are you thinking, or just speaking?
     
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    I guess you have no idea what evidence is. Although you believe you do.
     
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    You have it backwards once again. We observe life forming without an outside source of control every day. This confirms my earlier conclusion that you believe in the stork. When new life forms through sexual reproduction it does so without a magical being encouraging it to grow. It merely follows the "recipe" given to it by DNA. I hope you understand that much.

    Of course you have to try to shift the burden of proof because you have no evidence for your beliefs.
     
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    What "beginning"? Please don't accuse others of your sins.
     
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    Why bear false witness against others? I can explain what evidence is to you. I can demonstrate that there is evidence for evolution. I have yet to see any evidence for your beliefs. If you want to learn what evidence is I will gladly help you with the process.
     
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    That won't be you, since you have never asked a proper question.


    Apparently not with you. I'm still waiting for yours.
     
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    But flowers are more complex than just about anything we've thought up. "Designed" things are almost always far more simplistic than any answer in nature.

    Not even Johnny Appleseed designed a forest.

    It's quite easily done. In elementary school, you'll learn the basics.

    But that's just it: the house is the OUTLIER precisely because it doesn't fit with the environment. The house is clearly designed because nature doesn't work that way.

    Yes. "Designers" want things to be what they want, not what they are. Nature doesn't work that way.

    I don't trust a society that actively forbade just about every kind of knowledge other than scriptural to know anything about how the world works.

    Sorry. Nerd alert: I was referring to an episode of Stark Trek: The Next Generation, where Q, an omnipotent being, took Picard waaaaaay to the past and showed him the failure of microbes to come into being, which resulted in the destruction of life as we knew it.

    The fact you can watch a tree from acorn to rotting log without any sort of participation by any sentient being.

    So, droughts are caused by rain gods dying, then?

    That's not true. Objects that don't naturally exist in nature must be manufactured. Objects that exist in nature need not be.

    But as humans don't know everything, then such "logic" cant' be trusted without evidence. This is like watching a toddler call every furry quadruped a "puppy".

    Show us the designer of a rock or a bacterium, not an artificially engineered one, mind you, but natural ones. We'll wait.

    The bible likes to compare God as a potter or some other craftsman. However, craftsman don't design the base materials.

    God can't even design a human being more than once, if you take Genesis literally. Did He lose the recipe? No other mating pair had to resort to incest with their own twin born of their own body. Why the sudden incompetence?

    Moya wasn't.
    Moya and her child were actually living beings retrofitted to make starships.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape

    Yah(weh) is the son or grandson or son-in-law or whatever of El, the true High God of the pantheon. God had a creator after all, per the original history of the theology. :)
    (And El was born of Sky and Earth, so even HE was created/born.)
     
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    I have done so many times. I do not put false assumptions into my questions. You do not appear to be able to make the same claim honestly.



    So far I have not needed any sources. If there is something that you do not understand I will gladly explain to you if asked politely and properly.
     
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    I remember that last time you said you have proof as well.
    I asked for it three times, and got nothing but, 'Oh first you have to play by this rule - Swear you will be honest.' Lol. That was funny.

    I'm not holding my breath for this one either.
    If you know what evidence is. Tell me.
     
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    We apparently are are opposite ends of the bridge, screaming at each other, 'You go back. Lemme pass.'
    Will you be the mature one you claim to be?
    I'm the immature one remember, so it is expected, I am not moving - Sorry.
     
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    Actually I have evidence. Sufficient evidence, and there is more than enough, will convince any rationally thinking person. And what do you need supported by evidence? You need to ask your questions properly and you have not been able to do so.

    I know that it is hard for you as a creationist to be honest, but I know that you can be if you try. You merely need to quit being so afraid of being wrong.
     
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    No, once again, I am willing to properly support my claims. All you have been able to do is to make unsupported assertions. Don't try to claim that I am guilty of the same bad behavior that you are guilty of.

    Slow down and think clearly of what you would like to ask of me. I will begin with a question for you:

    What evidence do you have for your claims? For any of them.
     
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    Huh? ...and how may I ask, did you arrive at that?


    Ah. Nature. What makes it nature?


    I interested. How does nature work?


    Oh right. Sorry Nerds don't watch junk. Guess you didn't know that. :)


    Naturally exist? No science has shown that. No scientist can even recreate it.


    I agree. Thankfully scientists admit it, and say their theories could be wrong.. like... tomorrow.


    If you can't even show anyone the LUCA, or how it started, why would you ask someone to show you the creator of the universe.
    Does that seem reasonable?

    Why not? I know of some that do. So no - you have a wrong opinion.

    Did you just say 'God can't'?
    So you believe in God? ... How do you know what God can and cannot do?


    I don't know what source you are using. My source says
    Before the mountains were brought forth,
    Or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world,
    Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
    Psalms 90:1, 2
     
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    What did the life form from? Did it form on its own?
    Yeah. so ice forms on its own. Mildew forms on its own.
    Fruit forms on its own. Hair forms on its own. Good grief.
     
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