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The U.S. leads the world in reducing CO2 emissions

It Aint Necessarily So

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Sure, solar panels & windmills are ugly. But we can get used to them.

My panels aren't visible from the street, and when I see them or the panels of others, they are not ugly to me. Au contraire. They are a sign that some people are better than their governments.

The U.S. now produces three times the energy as it did in 1990 with the same level of CO2 emissions as then with an increase in population. The U.S. CO2 emissions per capita has decreased.

I guess that some Americans are outperforming their government. These are the enemy:
  • "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand" - James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan (note his position and responsibilities)
  • "My point is, God's still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous." - Sen. Inhofe, R-Okla
  • "The Earth will end only when God declares it's time to be over. Man will not destroy this Earth. This Earth will not be destroyed by a flood. . . . I do believe God's word is infallible, unchanging, perfect." - Rep John Shimkus, R-Ill.
This is what people have to contend with - conservative Christians and nonreligious faith-based "thinkers" like Trump. Ugh.

Please leave our planet. They don't have to die. Alien abduction would be sufficient.

Nuclear fission is, to be honest, a great deal better for the environment than massive windfarms, but nobody had better mention THAT.

Really? Not at Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl, or Fukushima. My environment is safer the further I live from nuclear reactors, and my panels are eco-friendly.

We just got our power bill for January, the first positive one in a few years. That's because we had a prolonged cold snap last month, and the skies were overcast, interfering with our harvesting sunlight.

The mini-split heater was on for several hours a day for more than two weeks in January, and the bill was still only six dollars, which includes about two dollars to be hooked up to the grid whether we need their power or not/ We don't use our power directly, We send it to the utility, which sends power to our home, and keeps track of how much ges in each direction.
 
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Shaul

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Europe has twice the population of America with a larger land mass

And in 2018 co2 emissions began to increase in the US for the first time in several years.
This is factual wrong. The U.S. territory is about twice the size of the EU territory. The EU population is about 1/3 larger than the U.S. Yet despite having 1/3 more people the combined GDP of the EU is less than the U.S.
 

dianaiad

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The mini-split heater was on for several hours a day for more than two weeks in January, and the bill was still only six dollars, which includes about two dollars to be hooked up to the grid whether we need their power or not/ We don't use our power directly, We send it to the utility, which sends power to our home, and keeps track of how much ges in each direction.

I also have solar panels. I spent $30,000 on them when I refinanced my home three years ago. Even at the INSANE cost, they'll have paid for themselves in seven more years. I'm happy as can be.

But do NOT tell me that wind farms and sun farms are good for the environment. They are not. Those who live around here (where there are a LOT of both 'farms') call them 'bird quizenarts." They could, single handedly, make the California Condor extinct, and people are doing everything they can to avoid that.

The problem is, 'avoiding that' involves tagging EVERY condor so that we can detect where they are and shut the windfarms OFF when the condors are within five miles of them. Hardly energy efficient..

Windmills are great--IF there is enough space between them to allow wildlife to live and migrate. Right now there isn't any.

As for Chernobyl...please notice that the problems are with societies like the ones YOU GUYS WANT. Japan and Three Mile Island...yes, nasty accidents, but not near the problem Chernobyl was. We are a whole lot better than the communist/socialist systems are at dealing with this stuff.

Accidents happen. Don't be the government that allows Chernobyl and the Aral Sea. Be the one that handles the systems in Japan or Three Mile Island.

Be the one that isn't happy with the windfarms in California. (those are conservatives, btw). Don't be the group that is all gung how about windfarms off the east coast, which are tearing up the bird and mammal life around them. These are the liberals who don't want to deal with any problems of their pet projects, or do anything about them when they show up
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
This is factual wrong. The U.S. territory is about twice the size of the EU territory. The EU population is about 1/3 larger than the U.S. Yet despite having 1/3 more people the combined GDP of the EU is less than the U.S.

America 9.834 million square kilometres
Europe 10.18 million square kilometres


Population of America 327.2 million (2018)
Population of Europe 741.4 million (2016) excluding Russia


Gdp of America 19.39 trillion USD (2017)
Gdp of Europe 18.8 trillion USD (2018) excluding those European countries not in the EU which amounts to an additional 2 trillion approximately.


So actually factually correct,

Google is your friend


BTW, Europe is bigger than the EU
 
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