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The TRUMP-GOP assault: how effective?

Are the Trump-GOP forces winning?

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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Responsible news media is repeatedly reporting on the vitriolic Trump-GOP alliance against the Justice Department and the rule of law, an assault being carried out to great effect. At this point I am not sure which could be more devastating: (a) the indictment of the ex-President, or (b) the refusal/failure to indict.

In either event, the following seems likely:
  • The few remaining principled Republicans will be defeated.
  • The extreme right will take the House.
  • The 2024 Presidential election cycle will be one of the most violence-laced in our country's history.
  • The 2020s threatens to be the decade of the demise of U.S. democracy.
In short: are the Trump-GOP forces winning?
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Responsible news media is repeatedly reporting on the vitriolic Trump-GOP alliance against the Justice Department and the rule of law, an assault being carried out to great effect. At this point I am not sure which could be more devastating: (a) the indictment of the ex-President, or (b) the refusal/failure to indict.

In either event, the following seems likely:
  • The few remaining principled Republicans will be defeated.
  • The extreme right will take the House.
  • The 2024 Presidential election cycle will be one of the most violence-laced in our country's history.
  • The 2020s threatens to be the decade of the demise of U.S. democracy.
In short: are the Trump-GOP forces winning?
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The justice system has to be seen to work. Mr Trump is just an ordinary Joe, as far as the law is concerned, and that principle is vital to uphold. If indicting him leads to riots and gunfire - as I'm sure it will - that has to be endured, for the sake of the Republic.

Of course, that may clear the path for Trump 2.0, i.e. de Santis or someone, so the threat to democracy won't be over, by a long chalk. But the rule of law will have been upheld. If that pillar of society were to crumble, you would be back to mob rule- and it would be over for sure.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
At the moment the real GOP is feigning support for Trump to keep the MAGA crowd fired up for the midterms. But once they're over with, Trump is of no more use to them. In fact, he may make a handy scape goat for them later on.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
I think the MAGAs and far right media are winning over their loyal followers. I'm not sure if they will win the war. The disinformation is crucial to the damage Trump and MAGA republicans can do. It remains to be seen what will haven. It's going to be a matter of who wins in the general elections as to how much influence they will have going forward. Candidates like Keri Lake and Mastriano are very dangerous, and if they lose there will be pushback. But it will illustrate how MAGA is a limited phenomenon.

I've seen MAGAs repeat disinformation about Trump, namely that he's being targeted by a witch hunt, and that none of the accusations against him are valid. How far will these people go if they really believe Trump is being railroaded? It seems likely another protest will occur, and that violence will come with it. They will plead 1776 again. Rule of law means nothing to these folks as they have a twisted veiwpoint of democracy.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
I make no predictions.
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I do.
But I hope Trump ends up in prison.
Let corrupt politicians be put on notice...jail awaits all wrongdoers.
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My prediction is that if Trump doesn't end up in prison or at least with fines he doesn't recover from, the US will be ranked as "failed democracy" instead of just "failing democracy" as it is now. And it will drift into fascism.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Heyo said:
I do.

My prediction is that if Trump doesn't end up in prison or at least with fines he doesn't recover from, the US will be ranked as "failed democracy" instead of just "failing democracy" as it is now. And it will drift into fascism.
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Probably better than drifting into communism.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jayhawker Soule said:
In short: are the Trump-GOP forces winning?
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I honestly don't know, but I do that some constitutional scholars are VERY worried about what could happen in 2024. Who would have thought that a major political party here would basically try and justify insurrection and then take steps to try and do this at the state level for 2024.

Here's the late Steven Hawkings take on Trump: "He is a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator." -- Stephen Hawking Reacts To Trump: 'Most Dangerous Time For Our Planet' (yahoo.com)

I'm not liking his choice of words as a label but it's hard to disagree with him in regard to general substance.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Heyo said:
I do.

My prediction is that if Trump doesn't end up in prison or at least with fines he doesn't recover from, the US will be ranked as "failed democracy" instead of just "failing democracy" as it is now. And it will drift into fascism.
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Meh....other Presidents have committed crimes
that would'a put ordinary folk in prison. So if
Trump escapes justice, it's just the status quo.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
F1fan said:
False fear-based right wing rhetoric.

So you prefer Trump authoritarianism like Russia rather than what we have now, which ISN'T communism in any way? Is this how you justify your support for Trump, by inventing a false fear?
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Ita only false to you and your left wing echo chamber.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
F1fan said:
False fear-based right wing rhetoric.

So you prefer Trump authoritarianism like Russia rather than what we have now, which ISN'T communism in any way? Is this how you justify your support for Trump, by inventing a false fear?
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Especially since some resort to Red Scare-type "McCarthyism", including some that use "socialism!" nowadays as if all forms of socialism are the same.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
I would say the same for your irrational fear of fascism.
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We had fascism. That makes our fear rational. You never had communism or anything remotely resembling it. You were never near the chance that communism could get a foot in the door. We had "real existing socialism". We have an ex-communist party ruling some states.
 
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