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The Trump Effect & The New Democrats

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Curious George

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    How else were they made?
     
  2. Revoltingest

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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    I noticed you dodged the question.
     
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    [On Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib] Why all the focus in trying to raise minimum wages, when all it really does is increase the prices of goods to pay for those wage increases? Is it to create more tax revenue? What is the point of creating Economic Inflation for the long haul?


    Am I missing the point of seeing a benefit for ($15 an hour) minimum wage increases?
     
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    Dude, you are bringing back situations from about 20 years ago to attempt to force a perception of "equivalence"... all the while conveniently glossing over the much more recent realities of the fate of that Senator and the shamelessness of the current POTUS.

    It seems to me that you made an excellent job of pointing out how asymetrical the reality actually is.

    I quite agree.
     
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    True enough.

    One wonders how those people distribute among supporters of Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party/Alt-Right and other groups.

    Then again, considering who voted for him and which party he associated himself with, there may well be little surprise there.

    Also, I must ask whether you realize that what you said above amounts to stating that American society is failing to give Trump the repudiation that he deserves.


    It seems to me that you will hurt your case and your credibility until and unless you decide whether you approve of repudiation of Trump's bad behavior and bad example or you do not.

    Otherwise, it will be supremely difficult not to conclude that you are simply being very biased.
     
  7. Revoltingest

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    I see an advantage to higher wages for low wage earners.
    But I oppose the min wage for various reasons, primarily
    because it won't work as intended.
     
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    No, no, no...you've got it all wrong.
    It comes up in a thread about the Trump Effect.
    It's an issue that bad behavior has existed historically.
    How has it been treated?
    How has it changed?
    Is the Trump Effect real?
    And then, his behavior relates to Hillary's having covered
    it up with attacks on the accusers, directly relating to
    the election, & how it proceeded.
    While it's uncomfortable for liberals who supported him
    knowing his history, it's still significant for this thread.
    Partisan tolerance of sexual predation might've culminated
    in Trump's election, but it certainly started earlier.

    And nowhere did I say they're equivalent.
    If anything, Bill looks worse than Trump regarding sexual assault.
    I haven't glossed over it at all.
    I'm one of the very few posters here who even calls him out for being a boor.
    Which conflicts with your attempt to say I gloss over Trump's behavior.
    Perhaps your mistake lies in my not paying it as much attention as you'd like, eh.
     
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    Have a good day. I made as much of an attempt at following your logic today as I am going to.
     
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    Have you got that revolting aftertaste in your mouth?
     
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    Yeah, maybe they'd get a short term benefit out of it.

    Maybe she just needed to inspire votes.
     
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    As one who voted for Trump, I won't accept aspersions cast for
    his sexual antics, given that Hillary (the alternative) also enabled
    behavior even worse for Bill. We faced the lesser of 2 evils.

    You'd prefer that Hillary had won, right?
    If so, would this mean that you condoned her attacking women
    who accused Bill of assault & even rape? Of course not.
    That's not what I'm saying.
    It's that the public, the media, & politicians are all too accepting of bad behavior.
    To single out only one player for criticism might be criticized for "glossing over"
    the others, eh?
    Have you not read the OP?
    This thread is about criticizing both Trump & the Democrats who are aping his bad behavior.
    A reasonable person would conclude this as "repudiation", even if that word isn't used.
    I'll be "biased" unless I take your side, eh.
     
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    Back atch ya, bruderherz.
     
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    It's a liberal "dog whistle".

    (I was in the mood to say something provocative.)
     
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    Sad but true!
     
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    Of those 44,909,889 how many had ever heard of the Drudge Report back then? I sure didn't.

    Remember, your original comments were about Democrats giving Clinton a pass. We didn't. Because we did n't know about Lewinsky.

    Even today I don't follow the Drudge Report any more than I follow Breitbart.
     
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    ecco said: I don't understand why everyone is so upset about what the lady said.​
    Trump is the father of several children. All those children have mothers. Those mothers all had those children because Donal Trump had coitus with them.

    No, I didn't dodge anything. Your question was based on the misrepresentation that my comment was rationalization. It wasn't; it was a factual interpretation as I stated.
    What rationalization? What I presented was a factual interpretation. You are certainly allowed to present a factual interpretation of any politician's statements.
    I am aware that you used your false allegation to avoid the addressing:
    Please try with the following:
    We will build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.
    Clearly, it is not me that is dodging, it is you.
     
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    The operative word being "accused". What ever happened with those accusers? Were their claims valid enough to bring even civil trials? I don't remember Clinton being charged with rape.

    Your bias is quite clear for all to see.
     
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    Hmmm....how were you when Drudge broke the scandal?
    Other media did meta-coverage, ie, complaining that Drudge
    either broke the old rules or wasn't credible.
    (It turned out that Drudge was the only credible source in this.)
    Of course, I wouldn't want anyone to infer that number of people
    in the figure I cited (ie, the number of voters for Bill) were all
    fully engaged news consumers. But this suggests harsh criticism
    of them for being fully unaware of a major news story just because
    they limited their sources to what is comfortable, eg, NPR.

    Note also that Bill's illicit dalliances as governor had been out there
    in news coverage for many years.
    That's too bad.
    Drudge aggregates news from both the left & the right....from mainstream to
    loopy....from Breitbart & Infowars all the way to the NY Times & Washington Post.
    One sees a picture of broad perspectives in this country.
    All news is agenda laden.
    To read competing perspectives is the only to gain a full picture.
    If one only consumes liberal sources, is one really informed?
     
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    I never said Bill was prosecuted for rape.

    Consider the double standard at work here.
    Many lefties excuse Bill by saying that he was never convicted
    or even prosecuted for sexual assault claimed by multiple women.
    But we see lefties convinced that Kavanaugh assaulted Ford,
    despite there being no conviction, no trial, nor even any credible
    evidence.

    Bill's accusers can say when & where he did it.
    Ford cannot remember either when or where, yet they credit
    here with providing the gospel truth.
    With Bill, we even have his aggressive lying about never having
    diddled Monica. Well, this lie sure fell apart under scrutiny.
    But with Kavanaugh, the accusations all evaporated.
    Meh....is there anyone who is without bias?
    Certainly, you don't claim to be bias free, eh.
    What matters is having reasonable standards of judgement,
    & applying them fairly & uniformly to friend & foe alike.
     
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