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Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by james dixon, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. ecco

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    I don't share your views that we will be able to travel backwards in time.

    However, if we could, it would be devastating to Religions. We could all see that MMLJ did not write the Gospels. We would probably also see that Jesus if he did indeed exist, was just a minor level itinerant preacher with some different ideas. We would also be able to see where Shogi Effendi got his information about the conversations Ballulah had with world leaders, if any.
     
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  2. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    I can say at this time it is still an unknown factor. It is all relative to our current mental capacity.

    I see people have and can dream of the future and we can and fo recall the past, thus in those relative mental states, we already traverse time.

    Regards Tony
     
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    So, a Goldilocks planet with no life,
    "You decide to put some life where none could be seen
    A seed to grow into a future un seen
    Imagine 1,000 years later you return
    Imagine you see life much like your own"


    What does this mean? What form of life could be seeded that would evolve into "life much like your own" in 1,000 years? And what does "much like your own" mean: Carbon based? RNA/DNA coded? prokaryotic? eukariotic? unicellular? multicellular?

    Unless you're seeding bacteria or phytoplankton or something, your seeds are going to die off. Anything more complex than these would need an established ecosystem to survive.

    So you seed a handful of bacteria. In a thousand years you'll have more bacteria.
    Maybe if you came back in 10,000,000 years you might find some diversity.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Dont we need the moon for seasons exactly in the zone it is in?

    And dont we need the sun to be just the right size and distance from earth?

    And earth has to be exactly the size it is too, at the correct 23 degree tilt.

    There would have to also be a galactic habitable zone that is required for life.

    And other planets to protect the exoplanet from meteors.

    I believe we are a rare bird on this planet.

    Perhaps microbial life would be common, but i doubt there are any humans out there but us.

    Of course its possible though! I vote that it is highly unlikely.
     
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    But the original proposition already posited an existing Earthlike planet
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Oops! Im a bit out of it. Thank you! New medication!

    Humans would rise up for sure then in a stable ecosystem like that. There is no reason why they shouldnt.

    My only thought is that it would have to be at the just right age of the planet. Earth only struck life only once. So i imagine it is extremely hard for those circumstances to occur again. Timing would be everything.

    Anyways deferring life to the cause of aliens only begs the question how did first ever life form?
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Life is predicted by entropy, entropy happens everywhere. If there are planets capable of supporting life (and the keplar mission supports this) then it is inevitable that other life has existed/ exists/ will exist in this universe
     
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    No the moon doesnt control the seasons

    No, our solar systems habitable zone encompasses 3 planets

    Again not true, smaller/lighter/younger worlds and larger worlds that can more more easily hold on to their water than the smaller worlds would be suitable. But too large then gravity would have an adverse effect of cells

    Galactic habitable zones are huge, typically around 80% of a galaxy is habitable so there would be hundreds of billions of planets in a Galactic hab zone. Around 10% (according to estimates based on kepler findings) would be suitable for life.

    Ahh,i agree with this one, luckily solar systems tend to form with habitable planets in the habitable zone surrounded by giant asteroid eaters.

    I simply do not know how rare life is and at the moment, neither does anyone else on this planet

    The chances of human type life would be slim. Intelligent life is another matter
     
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    Why would humans rise up for sure? How does seeding a planet with bacteria inevitably lead to humans?
    We've had life here on Earth for billions of years, and it was only yesterday that humans appeared -- and it appears we're destined to be a remarkably unsuccessful and short-lived.
    species. Wasn't it only a fluke astronomical catastrophe that wiped out the dominant dinosaurs and allowed mammals to evolve into the empty niches?
     
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    I guess that's what keeps the woo alive - seamlessly conflating Time Travel with Memory. Oh, well.
     
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    Need? No.
    Approximately.

    Not at all.

    OK

    Not necessesarily.

    So far, astronomers have found more than 500 solar systems and are discovering new ones every year. Given how many they have found in our own neighborhood of the Milky Way galaxy, scientists estimate that there may be tens of billions of solar systems in our galaxy, perhaps even as many as 100 billion.

     
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    Why do you say that? You have absolutely no way of knowing that is true. And what do you mean "struck"?

    No scientist is deferring life to aliens. That is only one possibility.
     
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    Even the Natufians had their shamans and burial rituals.
     
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    Of course not. We would just colonize it ourselves, they would too.
     
  15. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    All sci fi came from visions in peoples minds, then they put pen to paper, even made movies, then after a lapse of some time...mmmmm ;)

    Regards Tony
     
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    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    Still thinking way to small :D;)

    There is an old faith tradition, before we knew scientifically the amazing size of creation.

    The tradition says

    "....God, exalted be He, fashioned one hundred thousand, thousand lamps and suspended the Throne, the earth, the heavens and whatsoever is between them, even Heaven and Hell -- all of these in a single lamp. And only God knows what is in the rest of the lamps.' The fact that philosophers and sages have posited limits and restrictions for such matters is to be explained by the limitations of people~s minds...."

    All we can know is but one lamp.

    Regards Tony
     
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    That doesn't come close to addressing the question...
    Who seeded the person who seeded the first god?
    Who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the first god?
    Who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the first god?
    Who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the person who seeded the first god?
     
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    So, when you wrote...

    ...you were dabbling in science fiction. I guess the joke is on me. I thought you were making serious comments.

    I wonder how many of your other comments, that I took seriously, were just you dabbling in science fiction? Is the whole Bahai thing just science fiction?
     
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    What tradition?
     
  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Guess its up to you to sort it all out.

    Stay well, stay happy Regards Tony
     
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