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Featured The Trinity in Luke 2:40-56

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by rrobs, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Well-Known Member
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    There are more. I am sorry I snapped at you. I must sleep now.
     
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  2. lukethethird

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    Right on, I think you nailed it.
     
  3. Niblo

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    I can't imagine why! :D
     
  4. Windwalker

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    I'm not sure what you think you are reading there, but verse 1 says the Logos was in the beginning. It's not until verse 14 that John then takes this eternal Logos which is identified as Divine in the 3rd clause of verse 1, and then clearly states, "The Logos became flesh", which is a direct reference to Jesus. So, "The Logos is God".... "The Logos became flesh." You don't see it's a continuous thought from verse 1 to verse 14, identifying Jesus directly with the eternal Logos?

    Correct. The flesh is temporal, Spirit is eternal. Spirit became flesh does not mean Spirit ceased to exist. It means it took a temporary form.

    You seem unfamiliar with the doctrine of the hypostatic union, which is that Jesus Christ was both fully man and fully God. Fully man means he had a beginning, born of his mother in history. Fully God means he was eternal Spirit. Etc.

    Regarding the OP, I pointed out how you can just as easily make a mockery using dualistic language to describe nonduality when you imagine the Omnipresent God, meaning God is everywhere at all time at once, doesn't exist somewhere, such as in you, or AS you. Is God a block of swiss cheese and you exist in the holes where God does not exist? How can God be omnipresent, yet be imagined as "outside" of you?

    Please explain that, and then take a look at how you butchered the meaning in your OP by trying to force fit nondualistic truths into a construct of dualistic language, yet at the same time, you leave the Omnipresent God that somehow is imagined to not exist everywhere alone? Can you make God everywhere, but not everywhere at the same time? No? Then how is your OP any better at speaking truth? I think the atheist that denies God exists would have an easier job at that than you do. :)

    Sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander, as they say.
     
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    Oh yes, I am familiar. I was part of one of these groups for several years of my life. While it sounded "logical", it missed the point. Likewise, Trinitarians who insist God has three "people" talking to each up there in the sky somewhere outside of us, are equally confused by their own dualistic thinking. It's just as much a dualistic projection as "Oneness", or radical monotheistic groups are doing.

    It's all just flipsides of the same dualistic coin, like two five year olds saying, "You're stupid! No, you're stupid!", back and forth at each other, neither recognizing themselves in the other. Neither are willing to look at the absurdity of their own positions, to themselves, let alone with each other. It's arrogance, pride, and ego projections on the part of both parties.

    That is because they mistake the unity found in tribalism with the Unity found in God. God becomes to them their tribal deity, not the God of all that is. In other words, it's the god of their egos projected as God. Hatred of others is proof of that.

    It certainly falls short of the Spirit of Truth. That much is certain.
     
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  6. shunyadragon

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    This helps put your beliefs in perspective. In the previous thread you vaguely defended your beliefs from the perspective that others do not understand the scriptures. Actually your beliefs as described are very very similar to JW, or possibly Mormon, but Mormons believe in 'Flesh and Bone God(s).'. There are many, if not most, Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God based on what they 'believe' the scriptures say. They use scripture to justify the belief that Jesus did not have a beginning nor ending..

    From my perspective neither your view, nor that of traditional Christianity and the fundamentalist view of scripture have a coherent argument, because of the lack of provenance of scripture, inconsistence of scripture, and the matter of fact evidence of the world we live in.

    Reality is not boring at all, but hiding is,
     
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    ^


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    So, which is it, Ehyeh, or Yahweh...are you even reading what you post?
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    Hmm heres a post that that says Yahweh isn't only as a specific personal name...
    Lol

    Anyways, the contradictory nonsense that you post, is easily refuted by the Bible.
     
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    Don't know why you are replying to another, older thread here when I have been involved in this thread at all. At any rate, what I said is completely supported by scripture. Your positions are dependent upon ignoring the scriptures. When you are ready to discuss what the scriptures say - rather than how you can twist them to support your doctrine - let me know.
     
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    Then one could have Jesus say on the cross:
    "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself?"
     
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    Actually not... because of something else... the hypostatic union.
    Jesus was fully God and fully manIn this humanity 'he grew in wisdom and knowledge and in favor of God and men" as Like said

    in his divining Col 1:5 the world could be made through him and for him
     
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    Jehovah's witnesses and others who do not pray to Jesus cannot receive the holy Spirit. You have to ask Jesus to receive the holy Spirit.
     
  12. Desert Snake

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    Genesis 12:7
    More nonsense. You haven't refuted anything. Quoting that was to show a opinion referring to yahweh usage.
     
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    They don't have to, all they have to do is read the Bible.
     
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    They'll never understand it without the holy Spirit.
     
  15. Desert Snake

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    Actually, no. The premise is a nonsensical bit of changed scripture, has nothing to do with trinitarianism.
     
  16. Desert Snake

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    That could be.
     
  17. iam1me

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    You didn't quote my opinion changing on the matter - so, again, not seeing the purpose of quoting me here.
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Of course there is no way a son can be his own father, but two different individuals may both share the same title: God.
     
  19. Desert Snake

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    To show an opinion regarding usage of the name Yahweh. No idea why that bothers you. If you aren't claiming importance to your opinions, or relevance, then fine.
     
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    "Of course there is no way" Is that so?

    For with God nothing shall be impossible. (Luke 1:37)
     
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