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the tree of knowledge

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by trishtrish10, Aug 12, 2004.

  1. trishtrish10

    trishtrish10 Active Member

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    adam and eve were forbidden to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. it would make them like gods.
    that's what many philosophers do. they try to be smarter than the one true God. knowledge is both good and evil. i would assume that the fruit was deceitful to them and they became proud of themselves thinking they could do wrong and still hold there heads high. there mind because of sin was seperate from their heart which is sometimes illogical. we must unite our mind with our heart under any type stress or circumstance and trust in our Creator to help us, although the situation may seem hopeless. does any heart have any other feelings on this?
     
  2. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    Trish, you sound like a Puritan. "Don't try to question and be smarter than god--stay away from evil science and just accept your stupidity."

    By 'uniting our heads and hearts', we are allowing ourselves to think illogically. This is not good...not good at all.
     
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    Whenever someone says "Do not question god" what they really mean is "Do not question me".
     
  4. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    Word.

    (lalalala)
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

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    It is an ancient myth, evolved and adapted by primitive people from earlier myths.
     
  6. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    Tell me, trish--why did god feel the need to place the tree of knowledge in the garden if he didn't want anyone to eat from it?
     
  7. Green Gaia

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    Anyone read, Daniel Quinn's Ishmael? Check it out for an excellent explanation of the metophor of the "Tree of Knowledge".
     
  8. Surrealgurl

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    This story makes no sense to me. The tree is called "The tree of the knowledge of good and evil". (Genesis 2:9...and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.)

    So Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil BEFORE eating from the tree, it was only AFTER eating that they obtained this knowledge. (Genesis 3:22...Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil.)

    So having no knowledge of good and evil in the first place, they couldn't have known it was evil to disobey God. Yet God got mad and cursed them anyway?
     
  9. standing_on_one_foot

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    Was it a curse, though? Oh, certainly, it made life more difficult, but then, well, that's a part of life. I mean, is the world really so bad that we wish to hide back in our garden again? Given the choice, would you rather be in the world with your knowledge or in the garden and empty?
     
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    Hey, that's a very good question. Alot of people ask the same ones about christianity that everyone does (mostly nonsense). I'll do some research and respond then. :)
     
  11. Henry

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    oops, I posted that before it was finished. What I wanted to say in closing is your question is very valid, thanks surrealgurl.
     
  12. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    "knowledge is both good and evil. "

    Knowledge itself can never be evil.
    It`s the ill conceived use of knowledge that is evil.

    "This story makes no sense to me."

    It never will surrealgurl it`s the ultimate unfair catch 22 that will never be understood by anyone who cares to put any real thought into it.
     
  13. trishtrish10

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    adam and eve, went by their feelings(heart) and trusted God to take care of them. may i suggest they went beserk to be like God and know some of what he knows, that they may be better off. one needs to unite one's mind with one's heart and trust in God. don't seperate your mind from ure body. isn't that called metaphysics, another form of human spirituality?
     
  14. Green Gaia

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    The story of Adam and Eve is mythology, pure and simple. It should not be read literally.
     
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    oh, i see, you r aanother who chooses some literally and others non-literally. but how do u no for sure/
     
  16. Green Gaia

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    I read very, very little (if any) of the Bible literally. How do I know for sure? Because there is no outside proof.
     
  17. trishtrish10

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    one has to trust in someone in order to believe them. it takes faith or trust in God to know what is Divine. the person i trust more than anyone else in the world is the pope.
     
  18. Green Gaia

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    Why? Just because someone says so? I need more proof than that to place my trust or belief in something or someone.
     
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    the pope was chosen as peter's successor just as peter was also chosen by God to guide us.
     
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    God is subtle and we need to know the finer parts of virtue and what to stay away from. some of it is innate but mostly subtle. the ten commandments need definition(finer). pray we will finish the race in style.
     
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