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The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

F1fan

Veteran Member
Joe Biden, for one.
Congress's left side of the aisle.

Joe Biden, for one.
So no one is actually saying they support the killing of Palestinians, you are just embellishing the general support for Israel as support for Israel’s immoral tactics against civilians. You don’t seem aware of Biden and democrats condemning the killings.
 

Firenze

Active Member
Premium Member
Equality is now equity, remember. Equality is so 2010.
Electric vehicles are showing their weakness when reliability is needed most.
Plant based meat isn't meat. Just another fake version of something real. Just like so much other liberal crap.
Like the liberal crap that woke guy Jesus taught about equality and having brotherhood with all people? With friends like you, Jesus hardly needs any enemies….
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
News about Trump’s two recent civil losses and his four criminal cases are headline news in all major media organizations. Why aren’t you reading the reports?
Yes, and so far no ourt verdicts on any trials linked to insurrection or attempted.
Trump has no election challenge. Are you referring to the Colorado ballot eligibility case? That was brought by republicans in Colorado. Analysts predict the SC will overrule Colorado.
Of you don't think that Trump is going to stand for election, a challenge for that Presidential seat , then ??....
As far as Trumps immunity claim, that seems unlikely to be accepted by the SC and when that happens Trump will face trial by early summer. Trump has no more tricks to delay it.
You seem so certain.
I don't think that the Supreme court will support any disbars against him. It would be good for the world if they did, but.......I doubt it.

Only in his two civil cases which he lost. He owes $83.3 in one, and the other will be between $250-370 million in fines.


There are no specific charges for insurrection since it is a broad offense. There are many other charges that accuse him of election interference and fraud.

That is excellent.
So like I guessed,vno criminal convictions for any offences linked to insurrection.
I'm glad I didn't waste time in searching for non existent convictions.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It's My Birthday!
You seem so certain.
I don't think that the Supreme court will support any disbars against him. It would be good for the world if they did, but.......I doubt it.

My money is on the Supreme Court making a ruling that leaves everyone unhappy... maybe letting Trump stay on the ballot but also letting him be disqualified when they do the Electoral College vote count.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In

As if Biden said to Israel “Here’s money to go kill citizens.”
Watch what a politician, does.
Not what they say.
Israel commits genocide.
Biden & Congress send more bombs to Israel.
No, he gave aid to Israel as a general commitment by America. Biden has been vocal about Israel’s strategy that has targeted civilians.
Biden is vocal. But he's lying.
You can tell, because his lips are moving.
His actions are evidence of his support
for genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
As a Catholic, Israel is God's Chosen People.
Muslims are just "human animals".
Really? Joe Biden is in favor of forfeiture?
More than in favor.
He created civil forfeiture.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So no one is actually saying they support the killing of Palestinians...
Watch what they do.
When it conflicts with their words,
then it's just dishonest propaganda.
...you are just embellishing the general support for Israel as support for Israel’s immoral tactics against civilians.
You are just ignoring the reality of what
Israel & US government actually do.
You don’t seem aware of Biden and democrats condemning the killings.
You don't seem aware that politicians lie.
They condemn out of one side of their mouths,
but order more bombs for Israel out of the other.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yes, and so far no ourt verdicts on any trials linked to insurrection or attempted.

Of you don't think that Trump is going to stand for election, a challenge for that Presidential seat , then ??....

You seem so certain.
I don't think that the Supreme court will support any disbars against him. It would be good for the world if they did, but.......I doubt it.


So like I guessed,vno criminal convictions for any offences linked to insurrection.
I'm glad I didn't waste time in searching for non existent convictions.
Did you not see my link on the previous page? I both linked and quoted from it where it was made clear that being on the ballot is dealt via civil law. Not criminal law.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But will the Supreme Court agree with you?

There is a good chance that they will not.
I don't think that the Supreme Court will refer to English history in this matter.

What? Why did you even make that claim? I was pointing out how in the US there is a difference between civil courts and criminal courts. I was asking if they had the same in Britain. If so you should be able to understand how different courts have different burdens of proof.
And there clearly is doubt about the outcome of any pending trial.

I do not believe that Mr Trump will be disqualified, and such a decision/verdict will not mean that this court is in itself corrupt.

But we in the UK almost all will be hoping for Democrat victory.
The USSC already showed itself to be corrupt with at least two of its decisions. So I do not have a lot of hope for this either. I would like to see justice done. Odds are that he will be convicted in more than one of his upcoming civil trials. They are both on the federal and on the state level. As President he may be able to pardon himself for his crimes on the federal level. He will not be able to do the same if he is convicted in Georgia over his election interference there, or in New York state for his cover up of his hush money charge in regards to his paying Stormy Daniels for sex. That he paid her for sex in the first place is not a problem. What was the problem was that he paid her money to keep quiet about it when he ran for President. That was legally campaign money and one has to account for all campaign funds. He did not do that..
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
There is a good chance that they will not.


What? Why did you even make that claim? I was pointing out how in the US there is a difference between civil courts and criminal courts. I was asking if they had the same in Britain. If so you should be able to understand how different courts have different burdens of proof.

The USSC already showed itself to be corrupt with at least two of its decisions. So I do not have a lot of hope for this either. I would like to see justice done. Odds are that he will be convicted in more than one of his upcoming civil trials. They are both on the federal and on the state level. As President he may be able to pardon himself for his crimes on the federal level. He will not be able to do the same if he is convicted in Georgia over his election interference there, or in New York state for his cover up of his hush money charge in regards to his paying Stormy Daniels for sex. That he paid her for sex in the first place is not a problem. What was the problem was that he paid her money to keep quiet about it when he ran for President. That was legally campaign money and one has to account for all campaign funds. He did not do that..
OK.....but does a civil court finding disbar a person?

It looks as if you might accuse the SC of corruption if their decision does not meet with your approval.

And there's no point in teong me about differences on or legal systems because I am thinking of your system, although I do find it to be dodgy! :)
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It's My Birthday!
OK.....but does a civil court finding disbar a person?

Engaging in insurrection or rebellion makes the person ineligible. No court ruling is necessary.

If a person feels that they've been declared ineligible incorrectly, they can appeal to the courts.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
might accuse the SC of corruption if their decision does not meet with your approval.

Like Trump repeated said about that the only way he could lose in 2020 was if the election was corrupted? And yet how many Pubs even today believe that he only lost because of this?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
For all practical purposes he was. And the whole "he was not charged" argument is a red herring and you should know that. If you do not then you have not been paying attention to the argument.

And yes and no to the reactions of the liberal people on the court. I do not know if the source in the OP is very right wing or not. That one state would want to keep him off of the ballot is also a false claim. No state that did this thought that they would be the last word in this debate. They knew that it was not a state issue. It is an issue for the Supreme Court to decide. I have my doubt about the OP as a source when they focus on that. The idea was to force the USSC to look at the 14th Amendment and see it if apples. We will see what they base their decision on. I might complain a bit but I am not going to suggest rebellion if they do not agree with me. I have seen Trumpistas that do not feel the same.
All you are saying is that you think he took part in an insurrection. No state should be able to take a person off a ballot for president based an insurrection charge when he was never charged or convicted. It won't stand I bet it is 9-0 or 8-1.
 
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