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The Superverse

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by EthanReilly, Jul 11, 2022.

  1. EthanReilly

    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    What is The Superverse?

    The Superverse is any reality which all is possible. Second Life, Roblox, Facebook's Meta and Minecraft are all considered simulated superverses.

    I have talked to a Projectionist about his beliefs and came to a conclusion about my own. The Omniverse is not a Superverse. All physical universes, including our Universe, the Multiverse, the Metaverse, the Xenoverse, the Hyperverse and The Omniverse itself all obey some kind of rules. Laws of physics and cosmology.

    The Superverse is a combination of a verse, entropy and extropy. It relies however much more on extropy than entropy to contain a system which all things are in theory are possible.

    The Superverse is God. You will be a God in a Superverse.

    Large amounts of divinity are controlled in these spaces. Today we only know Superverses to be simulated, but perhaps one day we will create a real Superverse. Eventually The Omniverse will be crafted such like The Superverse. It will become The Super Omniverse.

    That is the goal. That is the end of our creation. To create a reality that is similar to simulated superverses, except real and tangible in every way.

    I am no longer a "pantheistic" syntheist. I now consider myself pre-theistic.

    We must create this God so everybody has the chance and ability to shape and craft reality to which they see fit.

    The Internet so far is the closest thing we have towards a God. Albeit a digital one. We must discover all the secrets to reality so we can shape ourselves in our own images. And not just in digitized simulated hyperspaces.

    I am now a straight up Syntheist with a pantheist eschatology.

    Any comments or thoughts on my understanding or findings?
     
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  2. The Hammer

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    How is this different the any other religious viewpoint?

    For example in Germanic polytheism there is 9 worlds (verses) at a minimum.
     
  3. EthanReilly

    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    Does any other religion say that we must create that God in order for it to exist?

    Yet none of them are created by us, the humans.
     
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    To create God, is to create destruction.

    I'd rather stick with the simplicity of everything we have now, and less.
     
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  6. EthanReilly

    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    That isn't the God I know. In fact, that is directly opposite of the God I have come to understand.

    The why don't you live in a communal colony, like the Hutterites or Amish?

    Care to elaborate?
     
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    I create this within my own home. I grow food how I can. Minimize tech distractions. And spend more time outside than in. I will keep working my way backwards.
     
  8. EthanReilly

    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    Perhaps you have created a verse for yourself where you can live off the land, and I will not critique or criticize it.
     
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    Even if a God or Gods do exist, presently the recognition of God or Gods has been suggested by humans. What we call the Laws of Physics are just tendencies in nature or space that repeat so many times we consider them to be quite predictable...I'd prefer there be a benevolent Source, even if it's a cloud like dust field with intelligence or even a form of Pantheism...We are just not able to prove these ideas as yet..... Your references to 'verses' seem to me to complicate something that I want to simplify....I'm not criticising your views or your post. I am fascinated by our member's different religious concepts. Learning by observing from different points of view is an advantage. IMO
     
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    Don't know anything about superverses, but don't really see how Second life, Roblox etc. are considered superverses? They are created in a omniverse and in a computer, which means that they must clearly following some "laws" of computing. And computers follow the physical laws of our Universe. So saying that everything is possible in a superverse like Second life doesn't seem true, because eventually you will hit a barrier where the computing power hits its limitation and we know this for a fact.
     
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    Once upon a time, I was baptized as a Lutheran Christian and then I began to think for myself and analyse the worlds religions and their creation stories, even the natural tribal religions too, and I in fact ended up being a NATIVE SHAMANISTIC believer of all things natural.

    In nature, there cannot by just one (invisible) God who created everything, as all creation takes place via TWO opposite but complementary polarities, hence there has to be a Goddess as well, if describing the creation in human images and symbolism.

    The concept of "consciousness" depend IMO on "knowing your inner self and knowing of the cosmic conditions in where we are created". This basic knowledge is embedded in most ancient Stories of Creation.

    That is: If they STILL have the mythical telling and symbolism naturally intact in their stories - which the Vestern inherited Abrahamic religions donĀ“t have.
     
  12. EthanReilly

    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    But of course. All four of these examples do have limits. Mostly due to their graphical representation of their realities. Especially Minecraft and Roblox. Everything does obey some laws, even 3D spaces where all possibilities seem possible. However, what I am merely trying to say is that spaces seem to be similar to meta-gaming. For example, Minecraft has a MMO you can play right now on the PC version called Wynncraft. What I am expressing is that if meta-gaming is possible, perhaps too meta-reality also could come to fruition. I call this concept of a meta-reality the superverse, which is already represented in digital simulations.

    The famous Pierre Teilhard de Chardin expressed this idea of a meta-reality in his concept of a noosphere. Even the famous Neon Genesis Evangelion, at the end of its show history, showed to us that reality is only possible if it is possible to perceive ourselves and other people, thus drawing the boundaries and limitations between who we are and what we can do. I sincerely believed that The Hammer has created for himself a verse where he can live off his land, as he wishes to do so. My concept of the superverse is similar to him living off his land, only magnified and multiplied hundreds of times over.

    Imagine a reality where you could interact, effect and change every atom you see, every little detail of your life could be shaped based on how you want to observe it. This is actually very similar to Mr Hammer's concept of living from the land, but multiplied and focused hundreds, if not thousands, of times more clearly. The Omniverse hasn't created the superverse. The Omniverse created our Universe, which has created us, and we, humans, have decided to create our superverses.

    When I say that anything is possible in a superverse, I am referring to that superverse ability to create multiple realities, multiple meta-possibilities, not necessarily how the laws and mechanics of that game operate. The games I have indicated offer a brief overlook on how reality may be perceived one day, a meta, superverse reality filled with multiple, many possibilities. Each meta-game has the ability to change how we perceive our own reality because they might show us how we want our reality to behave.

    As well, the "laws" of the Internet seem to be effected by Moore's law. I remember a time where YouTube would buffer a lot. Not because of the speed of my Internet connection, but because Google didn't buy them yet, and they were having a difficult time maintaining the space they owned. Google stepped in, bought YouTube, and has continued to multiply the storage capacity of YouTube, making buffering issues a thing of the past... Mostly. Once in awhile live streams on YouTube will hit a snag for me, but regardless, every second that passes while YouTube exists hundreds of hours of video existence and footage has been created. It is literally impossible for anyone to watch all this data, so we filter this through the lens of subscriptions and the recommend feed all of us seem to enjoy.

    Since Moore's Law seems to be providing us an endless amount of data and computing space, it is only fitting to say that perhaps the Internet itself is one noosphere, one superverse, a meta-sphere of data that typically doesn't have a graphical user space. Now, I know games like Minecraft can be played over a browser, and all four games seem to require the Internet as a means to conduct their interactions with other players in their meta-games. What I'm simply trying to express however is that humans themselves will someday, some way create the reality they wish to imagine, using the same laws that these meta-games provide.

    Of course, that is in theory an unlikely way for anything to happen - a digital representation is not identical to the physical, but I believe in many aspects that learning how to alter the digital will in fact allow us to find ways to affect the physical as well. I don't know how this will happen and I don't have all the answers, but once we find the casual link between the digital to the physical, these meta-games will soon become a physical reality, thus ushering our Universe into a Super-Universe, changing and altering the ways we perceive reality as a construct.

    And I believe movies and TV shows are indeed a controlled way in which we are already doing this.
     
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    But it is not endless, which were what I tried to say with the computers having limits, if we were to store and calculate every atom in the universe, we would need an insane amount of computing power and energy in order to run such superverse. Which is also one of the reasons games simply try to simulate reality, meaning a "NPC" is just a very limited set of attributes, but we don't try to simulate all the atoms and cells that make up an NPC.

    There is no doubt as computing power increases that we will have huge simulations and guess you could refer to them as superverses, but what confuses me, is why one would say that they are not restricted.

    But haven't we done that already? There is no link, except that we can simulate/store the physical in the digital as a blueprint.

    Meaning we can program a machine to keep/test all information about how to build a car and how it will perform and we can then use that blueprint to create a physical car. But maybe I misunderstood what you meant with "casual link between the digital and physical"?
     
  15. EthanReilly

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    I have a tattoo of an infinity symbol on my left wrist. And I do not believe infinity exists. There will always be limits to what we and our Universe can do. The Universe, thought at one point to extend forever, has been proven to not extend forever, for example, but is expanding at the speed of light. Moore's Law causes the computer chip to double in capability over and over again. I do not believe that infinity exists, but rather, infinity itself can only be there if there is something that expands it. "Some infinities are larger than others." - John Green. And by no means have we exhausted the ability for our computers to grow further than they already have. Look at what scientists are talking about with quantum computing. Quantum computing is trillions of times faster than what we have now, but doesn't exist for most people because 1 - it's expensive and 2 - it gets the computers extremely hot as it runs. But eventually coolant technology will suffice, and we will have computers that can compute faster than we can think. That's the Singularity transhumanists keep mentioning.

    Until we know all the secrets of The Omniverse, it will be restricted. However, the deeper we go into understanding our own verse, this Universe, the less restricted our superverses become. A piece of paper could be viewed as a 2D representation of a superverse. When Egyptians existed they made art from their languages. The further time has gone on, the more intricate and detailed art has become. I literally saw a painting in an art book that I initially thought was a photograph. And I believe popular science fiction movies do a good representation of showing us worlds with more detail that currently exist at the moment.

    This reminds me of the recent housing that was made by 3D printers. While we are doing this currently I believe this idea will accelerate as time goes on. In theory almost everything could be made by a 3D printer, including living organisms themselves. While we are doing this currently we aren't finished. We may be able to 3D print a car or a house but it will be a long way before AI can duplicate itself on a massive scale. My point was saying that these things can first be tested in virtual worlds and if there is enough utility and proof of concept it then can become a reality later on. Virtual worlds are a way to test our world as the change we want to see in it.

    You already nailed it. A computer simulation of architecture, for example, can test of if a building has enough support to carry its own weight. The casual link between the digital and the physical is already apparent and present, but we have a long way before this link can happen on other planets with different gravitational pulls, different Universes that have a different set of physics to attend to. We already know a lot about Earth and its role in the Universe, yet we don't know if all those laws yet will extend beyond our boundaries. Our species has a long way to go before it can create a superverse that is wide enough to extend beyond our typical limitations and boundaries, and we are on the birth of perhaps the most important concepts in history. The concept that as time goes on, humans alter reality more and more to the point in which they will control it. The Omniverse will then be changed to adapt to our needs, rather than us having to adapt to it. That is the Super Omniverse, that is God itself in the making, slowly being created by us.
     
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    In order to define this concept more constructively I decided to rename "The Superverse" to "The Synverse". Syn meaning to create and verse meaning a point in space. The God I swear allegiance to is now the Synverse.

    The Faith of Omniversal Exaltation
     
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    Reminds me of transhumanism. Although transhumanism has additional more interesting features like merging ourselves with AI and enhance our bodies through genome editing and robotics to the point of being demigods in this world as well. I wasn't really aware of the term Syntheism until now, I think you could kind off call me one as well since I held similar beliefs although I always just labeled them as "transhumanism"
     
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    EthanReilly We Create God by Our Exaltation

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    Syntheism is religious transhumanism, specifically transhumanist theology.
     
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