The Souls of God

[Maximus]

I don't know about the site you got it from, but 'Orthodox Christianity' holds to eternal punishment in the lake of fire. If they present themselves as 'orthodox' and hold the view you describe, then they are mistaken.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I would disagree. Several of the early church fathers were "universalists" (all get saved, eventually). Personally, the notion of a loving God Eternally tormenting finite beings for their transgressions makes no sense and is abhorrent. God is not a monster.

A short one:

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Noone has managed to decode the apocalypse.

There is no 'code' to the book of (Revelation). It is given to be understood. People acts like they can't understand it because they don't want to understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[syo]

There is no 'code' to the book of (Revelation). It is given to be understood. People acts like they can't understand it because they don't want to understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well, I read it and understood nothing. What is the beast???

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I would disagree. Several of the early church fathers were "universalists" (all get saved, eventually). Personally, the notion of a loving God Eternally tormenting finite beings for their transgressions makes no sense and is abhorrent. God is not a monster.

Universalism is not Orthodox Christianity.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Well, I read it and understood nothing. What is the beast???

So?

Start another thread if you want to get into a study of (Revelation). I will gladly participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That’s a uniquely Christian perspective. You won’t find anything remotely resembling that in Hinduism, Buddhism, Paganism and other indigenous religious traditions.

It’s my observation that Christianity has an unhealthy obsession and association with sin, judgement, punishment, fire, devils and demons. It’s a shame because Jesus never spent so much time on the subject.

Do you read these things with your mouth open as in "who could believe this in real life?" type of thing? If you do, you're in good company.

 

[syo]

So?

Start another thread if you want to get into a study of (Revelation). I will gladly participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I can't. I can't discuss something that I understood nothing, unfortunately.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I can't. I can't discuss something that I understood nothing, unfortunately.

OK.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Fool]

Actually Jesus spent a great deal of time talking about hell and eternal punishment as well as encountering the devil and demons in many places.

Good-Ole-Rebel

And he was most often at odds with the religious right/Orthodox who judged but did not abide by the rules themselves to love.

This is why Sodom and Gomorrah, or the five cities fell. The judges in them were corrupt.

There were four judges in Sodom (ib. 109b), named respectively Shaḳḳarai ("liar"), Shaḳrarai ("habitual liar"), Zayyafa ("deceiver"), and Maẓle Dina ("perverter of the Law"). In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yalḳ., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive (ib.). In the Midrash (ib. 84) the judges are called Ḳaẓ Sheḳer (= "greatest liar"), Rab Sheḳer (= "master of lies"), Rab Nabal (= "master of turpitude "), Rab Masṭeh Din (= "chief perverter of the Law"), and Ḳelapandar (probably = "forger"). Pentapolis existed only fifty-two years; and during the last twenty-two of them God brought earthquakes and other misfortunes upon it that it might repent. It refused to do so, however, and was destroyed

 

[Fool]

There is no 'code' to the book of (Revelation). It is given to be understood. People acts like they can't understand it because they don't want to understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

so it's internally understood about self? Or is it externally understood about others as self?

 

[Jainarayan]

Do you read these things with your mouth open as in "who could believe this in real life?" type of thing? If you do, you're in good company.

I just shake my head and roll my eyes. Sort of like

 

[Maximus]

so it's internally understood about self? Or is it externally understood about others as self?

No one really understands Revelation. Anyone who tries to make any predictions or inferences from it is on a fool's errand (no pun intended lol). In my opinion.

 

[Jainarayan]

Actually Jesus spent a great deal of time talking about hell and eternal punishment as well as encountering the devil and demons in many places.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You do realize he spoke in metaphors and hyperbole to make his points, right?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

And he was most often at odds with the religious right/Orthodox who judged but did not abide by the rules themselves to love.

This is why Sodom and Gomorrah, or the five cities fell. The judges in them were corrupt.

There were four judges in Sodom (ib. 109b), named respectively Shaḳḳarai ("liar"), Shaḳrarai ("habitual liar"), Zayyafa ("deceiver"), and Maẓle Dina ("perverter of the Law"). In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yalḳ., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive (ib.). In the Midrash (ib. 84) the judges are called Ḳaẓ Sheḳer (= "greatest liar"), Rab Sheḳer (= "master of lies"), Rab Nabal (= "master of turpitude "), Rab Masṭeh Din (= "chief perverter of the Law"), and Ḳelapandar (probably = "forger"). Pentapolis existed only fifty-two years; and during the last twenty-two of them God brought earthquakes and other misfortunes upon it that it might repent. It refused to do so, however, and was destroyed

The Pharisees were at odds with the Old Testament. That doesn't make them 'orthodox'.

No, Sodom was destroyed because of it's pride and idleness and greediness. And it was homosexuality that characterized these people. (Eze. 16:49) (Gen. 19)

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

so it's internally understood about self? Or is it externally understood about others as self?

Don't know what you're talking about.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You do realize he spoke in metaphors and hyperbole to make his points, right?

Not when He addressed eternal life or death. And certainly not when He cast out demons and confronted the devil and demons.

Jesus was not a Gandhi type.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Fool]

No one really understands Revelation. Anyone who tries to make any predictions or inferences from it is on a fool's errand (no pun intended lol). In my opinion.

Edgar Cayce on the Book of Revelation

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Edgar Cayce on the Book of Revelation

No wonder.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Fool]

The Pharisees were at odds with the Old Testament. That doesn't make them 'orthodox'.

No, Sodom was destroyed because of it's pride and idleness and greediness. And it was homosexuality that characterized these people. (Eze. 16:49) (Gen. 19)

Good-Ole-Rebel

Ezekiel 16:49 says nothing about homosexuality. If you read the Jewish article, it says nothing. There were men, women, and children living in those towns. It had nothing to do with homosexual males.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Ezekiel 16:49 says nothing about homosexuality. If you read the Jewish article, it says nothing. There were men, women, and children living in those towns. It had nothing to do with homosexual males.

You need to pay attention to what was said. Go back and reread it. Or, just read it. You saw the word homosexuality and jumped like a frog on hot rock.

Good-Ole-Rebel